published Saturday, April 20th, 2013

Marathon Bombers

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

Fantastic point. This is surely going to instigate a very productive discussion today.

April 20, 2013 at 12:39 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Whether we speak of radical Islam or radical Christianity, both of their absolutist religious interpretations leave little tolerance for beliefs beyond their own. This is a formula for hatred and violence that has been playing out for many centuries.

With many millions of US Christians falling into the radical category and an even larger segment of the Islamic world, we can look forward to on-going conflicts and atrocities committed by both sides.

A world without religion might be far more peaceful.

April 20, 2013 at 12:52 a.m.
alprova said...

nucanuck wrote: "A world without religion might be far more peaceful."

That Sir, is the understatement of the year, and a most profound observation.

Religious intolerance may well be a contributing factor in more unnatural deaths than all other causes.

April 20, 2013 at 1:32 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

I guess Bennett had to trash his intended cartoon which showed white right wing religious fanatics littering the streets of Boston with bodies of the dead and wounded. He was so hoping that the perps would be the right flavor to bash his political enemies.

But he always has hope that something terrible will rain down on the heads of the “Right Kind of People” from the “Wrong Kind of People”. Then he will be gleefully ready to do his duty in all of his self righteous glory.

April 20, 2013 at 1:35 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Speaking of religion, I just heard there is a “disclaimer” posted on God’s Twitter Account and in today’s edition of the Heavenly Times. . . As I understand it, the “disclaimer” is to remind everybody that any and all religious vigilantes had been denounced ages ago.

April 20, 2013 at 6:26 a.m.
anniebelle said...

It's people with the mindset of Jt6.....that are destroying our entire world, not just Boston with 4 dead. They'll rail against this but won't push to make sure loonies don't have access to WMD's (military style weapons and clips holding 30 bullets). They hear their masters 24/7 so they'll know who to hate and what to say. There are plenty more suicide bombers that we, yes we, have created with our interference in other countries, so this will not be the last of our terror related incidents in this country and Jt6 and his ilk want to keep those flames going.

April 20, 2013 at 7:12 a.m.
conservative said...

So, nucanuck, what in your mind is "radical Christianity" and why do you equate Christianity with radical Islam?

Disciples/followers of Jesus Christ are called Christians, that is the origin of the name. Where in the Bible, where the doctrines of Christianity are taught and the only place they are taught, do you find Jesus teaching his followers hatred for others and violence toward others for their beliefs?

YOUR false accusations about Christianity are words of hate!

April 20, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

If someone like you can call themselves Christian, then anyone can, conservative. I still think you may actually be a sock puppet of ol' Fred.

April 20, 2013 at 7:47 a.m.
Donald said...

Lets see, the religion promotes this. By following the religion you are supporting it. So blaming the entire religion makes sense. All religions/gods are fairy tales, folklore and mythology so getting rid of all of them would gid rid of the problem.

April 20, 2013 at 7:47 a.m.
tifosi said...

Conservative is "radical Christianity".

How does it feel to be judged like you judge others?

April 20, 2013 at 7:49 a.m.
delmar said...

Science is far more interesting than religion will ever be.

http://acidcow.com/pics/12499-so-tiny-is-earth-40-pics.html

April 20, 2013 at 7:58 a.m.
conservative said...

nucanuck,

you wrote,

"With many millions of US Christians falling into the radical category and an even larger segment of the Islamic world, we can look forward to on-going conflicts and atrocities committed by both sides."

"millions" of "US Christians" to commit "atrocities."

nucanuck, you are full of hate for Christians. You even list Christians first!

April 20, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Radical Christianity. Hmm.... How about the KKK. They're quite radical, terrorists and oh so Christian. That conservative is a fact.

Cool link Delmar.

April 20, 2013 at 8:17 a.m.
degage said...

mickey, and the other fact is the KKK were democrats. Byrd was a big time KKK.

April 20, 2013 at 8:22 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Mickey, you don't know conservative too well. He'll just claim that they were not TROO Christians (TM) like him (and apparently he's the only one)

degage, southerners were primarily democrat until the Civil Rights era, during which they switched to the GOP en mass.

April 20, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

If we’re not to judge and deny the rights of all of the law abiding Islamists due to the actions of a few criminals in their midsts. Why are the anti-gun forces so quick to judge and deny the rights of all of the law abiding gun owners due to the actions of a few criminals in their midsts?

April 20, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I fail to see how expanding background checks denies the rights of LAW ABIDING gun owners. Explain?

April 20, 2013 at 8:33 a.m.
EaTn said...

Most true religious folks are passionate about their religion. Mix passion with oppression, indoctrination and/or ignorance and what you get is the worst as shown in both of these toon newspapers. All we can do is try to treat all folks with compassion to dispel their fanatical religious myths.

April 20, 2013 at 8:43 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...Disciples/followers of Jesus Christ are called Christians, that is the origin of the name. Where in the Bible, where the doctrines of Christianity are taught and the only place they are taught, do you find Jesus teaching his followers hatred for others and violence toward others for their beliefs?

Conservative - we are only a couple of weeks past the remembrance of the resurrection and, a few days prior to that, the remembrance of Jesus establishing with us a new covenant - a covenant based in two commandments: 1) love God and 2) love your neighbor as yourself. That doctrine is clearly taught in Scripture. The difficulty is that too many folk who call themselves Christian - Fred Phelps being one example - behave as though they had never heard of the new covenant.

April 20, 2013 at 8:45 a.m.
conservative said...

"The father of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects said he was present at the family house in Cambridge, Mass., when the FBI interviewed his older son in 2011."

"He said U.S. authorities visited the house for what he described as "prevention" activities that involved Tamerlan. "They said: We know what sites you are on, we know where you are calling, we know everything about you. Everything," Mr. Tsarnaev recalled. "They said we are checking and watching—that's what they said.""

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324763404578433533790946270.html

April 20, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Dang...people! It's not about religion...it's about the jihad!

April 20, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

There are about 30 or 40 members (if that many) of the WBC and they express their beliefs in a most hateful and intolerant manner and should be rightfully shunned as they are. The anti religious left delights in mocking the Christian faiths due to the simple fact the WBC claims some strange and nominal kinship with their much more numerous and tolerant fellow adherents.

Yet these same religious bigots go ballistic if anyone even vaguely implies that Islamic terrorism is a stain upon the whole of the Islamic faith. However the terrorist members of that faith number in the thousands if not much greater and hardly limit their activities to inappropriate expression.

So I guess in the hypocritical mind of those type of Leftists there is a rough equivalence as to how they treat the two.

April 20, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.
mosquito said...

Best toon by Mr. Bennett ever, in my opinion..

ikeithlu, "I fail to see how expanding background checks denies the rights of LAW ABIDING gun owners. Explain?"

It could be that it is a basic distrust of any politician to simply craft a bill which would be of use to the general public. They always seem to sneak in something that wasn't advertised or have something included that has nothing to do with the stated purpose of the bill..nothing new there..

But if some people's fears are to be believed, then they will 'go after' certain sections of society that could throw a monkey wrench in the plans of the globalists, illuminati, etc..whoever one thinks is really in charge..

Veterans, I know a few who seem ok to me but might fit the criteria of a bill which seeks to curtail their rights to possess a weapon if they are or ever have partaken in prescription meds for PTSD. Just my opinion...

But just for arguments sake, if you were planning on taking a country in a direction contrary to the accepted norm, then you would want to dismantle your opposition as much as you could beforehand. Veterans would be first on most lists due to their organizational and weapons training and I would guess most vets are armed better than the average citizen..

I don't think it will happen on its own, but perhaps tied into an extraordinary event like an economic collapse.

April 20, 2013 at 8:59 a.m.
riverman said...

Only a white trash redneck who graduated from Sand Mountain University would compare a religious group who protests peacefully to one whose fanatics fly airplanes into buildings and detonate bombs that kill innocent people.

Westboro Baptist is as despicable group as any but to my knowledge they have never injured or killed anyone. I am not a Constitutional Scholar but I believe the Constitution guarantees the right to peaceful protest. Go back to Alabama Bennett.

April 20, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6gR3hM... Of what faith are you? Are you one of the much more numerous and tolerant fellow adherents?

April 20, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

"I fail to see how expanding background checks denies the rights of LAW ABIDING gun owners. Explain?"


Very nice as how you so quickly limited the gun control debate to only back ground checks. As if that would be limit as to how far the gun grabbers would like to go if given the chance. What happened to banning and possibly confiscating semi-automatic firearms?

April 20, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

How about the Hutaree, the Lord's Resistance Army, the Inquistition, or maybe the Orange Volunteers. I could go on and on. They are all over the world. Christians ain't innocent of anything and are responsible for more death and misery than all other religious cults. With the exception of the Inquisition they are supported by and partially funded by the right wing. Oh, and I forgot Tim McVey. He was a Catholic; the largest cabal of 'Christian' murderers & pedophiles on earth.

April 20, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
fairmon said...

It may be naive to think these two acted on their own without a third party influence and encouragement. People acting out like this are the seeking admiration and approval or expressing an externally influenced anger whether it is or is not a justified.

It is ridiculous to blame or credit the president for the act, the investigation or conclusion. The capacity to micromanage to that extent is not possible.

Perhaps it is time to examine why we have so many radical enemies? What gives us the right to interfere in the affairs of another country? What gives us the right to insist others have a democratic form of government? What gives us the right to insist others have the same human rights we value?

April 20, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

What do you want to bet that a number of people in the Boston area that support the right of individual gun ownership has spiked recently.

How many got great-granddad’s old rusty shotgun from the back of the hall closet. Only to realize they have no ammo and have lost the key to the trigger lock they put on it 30 years ago.

April 20, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Thanks for proving my point Mickey.

April 20, 2013 at 9:13 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn:

Why are you addressing me with your comment?

I don't know anything about Fred Phelps. I saw some film footage of that false church a years years ago on Fox. I knew from the start that they don't know God from a hole in the ground.

The Atheists on this site know all about him, I know nothing. They have much in common from what they write about him.

Atheists, whether the vocal or practicing kind, will always attack Christianity, that is their role in life. They must try to to destroy Christianity, but they have and always will, fail.

This is to be expected:

Blessed are ye , when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely , for my sake Mathew 5:11

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours alsoJohn 15:20

April 20, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.

nucanuck said... Whether we speak of radical Islam or radical Christianity, both of their absolutist religious interpretations leave little tolerance for beliefs beyond their own. This is a formula for hatred and violence that has been playing out for many centuries. With many millions of US Christians falling into the radical category and an even larger segment of the Islamic world, we can look forward to on-going conflicts and atrocities committed by both sides. A world without religion might be far more peaceful.

Just who and where are those millions. Name specific groups or locations where they reside.

alprova said...*That Sir, is the understatement of the year, and a most profound observation. Religious intolerance may well be a contributing factor in more unnatural deaths than all other causes.

The repetition of a lie does not make it true. The convenient fiction that you mindlessly propagate is, at its core, an attempt to excuse the violence of radical Islamists. The brush with which you paint is broader than that of most Kindergarten social studies lessons. In no other religion is there an equivalent of the worldwide Islamist terrorist networks.

April 20, 2013 at 9:17 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6gR3hM said... "How many got great-granddad’s old rusty shotgun from the back of the hall closet. Only to realize they have no ammo and have lost the key to the trigger lock they put on it 30 years ago."

Are you saying it was a useless item for 30 years? That trigger locks are a bad idea? Think some of them just put their faith in your God?

April 20, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Nobody is coming to take your crock pot but what law abiding American needs a pressure cooker?

April 20, 2013 at 9:19 a.m.
Cactus said...

Why doesn't God speak up against the hate and violence perpetuated by his followers. Has anyone seen or heard from him lately?

April 20, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "YOUR false accusations about Christianity are words of hate!"

Your false accusations in the name of Christianity are words of hate, and all one has to do is to peruse your many posts.

I urge you to review them yourself.

April 20, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Most people never check if their insurance policy meets their needs until it is time to place it in action. And then they get the "denial of claim" letter.

April 20, 2013 at 9:23 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Cactus said...

"Why doesn't God speak up against the hate and violence perpetuated by his followers. Has anyone seen or heard from him lately?"


Maybe you have DishTV he is on DirectTV.

Check your local listings or lease agreement for farther details.

April 20, 2013 at 9:26 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Well, let me review some of yours.

You wrote:

"Jesus can not be God",

"Did Jesus deceive or lie? One instance in the New Testament seems to offer that he did"

"I do not fear the Lord and nobody is ever going to convince me to fear God's "wrath."

"Was Jesus a perfect man while on Earth? Although few and far between, there is scripture that suggests that Jesus was not perfect."

"Is he perfect now? The Bible does not make that clear."

"Jesus was simply a human"

"Jesus did indeed sin"

April 20, 2013 at 9:29 a.m.
alprova said...

riverman wrote: "Only a white trash redneck who graduated from Sand Mountain University would compare a religious group who protests peacefully to one whose fanatics fly airplanes into buildings and detonate bombs that kill innocent people."

You might feel just a wee bit different if you attended the funeral of someone near and dear to yourself and had to witness seeing signs to the effect that your loved one's life was taken by God because someone else was or is a homosexual.

"Westboro Baptist is as despicable group as any but to my knowledge they have never injured or killed anyone. I am not a Constitutional Scholar but I believe the Constitution guarantees the right to peaceful protest."

It will be a glorious day when someone goes postal on that bunch of kooks and puts them out of their misery.

"Go back to Alabama Bennett."

Where are you from?

April 20, 2013 at 9:30 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

And what is your point Jt6gR3hM ?

Cactus asked, Has anyone seen or heard from him(god) lately? Umm, because nobody's EVER heard from him!?

April 20, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

MTJohn it is very odd that you have no comment on the religious content of the posts from nucanuck, alprova, mountainlaurel, Donald, delmar, or MickeyRat.

Is it possible that your political brotherhood supersedes you religious one?

Very interesting - Right?

April 20, 2013 at 9:41 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6gR3hM... the reluctant Godposter.

April 20, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative, you had better get busy finding the proof that any statement I have ever made in this forum is not true, according to the Bible.

My statements are based on what is written in it, 100%.

They are hardly expressions of hate.

You routinely use Biblical scripture to support your hate and contempt for others. I have never expressed one word of hate or contempt. I am guilty of expressing that which can be read by anyone in that compilation that you consider to be the "word of God."

I am not your enemy, and as much as you would like to believe otherwise, God is not your friend, for you misrepresent him quite inaccurately.

April 20, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

“It will be a glorious day when someone goes postal on that bunch of kooks and puts them out of their misery.”


You seem to have a blood thirsty desire to wish great harm and/or death on your political opponents.

You don’t happen to own a pressure cooker do you? If so I know someone who wants to have a conversation with you.

April 20, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6gR3hM said...

"Is it possible that your political brotherhood supersedes you religious one?"

Now that's audacity!

April 20, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
alprova said...

dude_abides wrote: "Jt6gR3hM... the reluctant Godposter."

Reluctant? A few months ago, she was an avowed Atheist.

The woman is quite confused and just loves to believe that she is quite the Devil's advocate.

April 20, 2013 at 9:57 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

your words:

"I love God, his Son, and the Bible. I am indeed a practicing Christian, despite any and all charges by you to the contrary"

"I do not and never will hold the belief that the Bible is the word of God. You will not shame me into such a belief, no matter how many times you try."

"It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" God to also be heinous, demented and despicable. The Bible has been rewritten by evil men to instill religious fear into the minds of people as a means by which to control them. Apparently, it is still working like a charm too."

April 20, 2013 at 10 a.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "You seem to have a blood thirsty desire to wish great harm and/or death on your political opponents."

There is nothing "political" about the WBC. Apparently in your mind, everything is political.

"You don’t happen to own a pressure cooker do you?"

Nope. I consider those things to be quite dangerous, even when used as intended.

"If so I know someone who wants to have a conversation with you."

Sure you do.

April 20, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.
dude_abides said...

LMAO She's the Devil's Right-Handvocate!

I hear maximus is cooking hotdogs in the back of a pickup truck at Chester Frost park. If he got a slot with an outlet, he may show up here later.

April 20, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova you seem to be having some sort of paranoid desire that I am someone from your dark past. That she undoubtedly played games with your mind to the point you search for any nuance in all that pass you by.

She hurt you badly - didn't she Al

April 20, 2013 at 10:10 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

You as well Dude?

Tell me how to find some information about this person that was so impactful on you and Al's lives.

April 20, 2013 at 10:14 a.m.
nucanuck said...

wwwtw,

Consider the possibility that state sponsored terrorism rained down by an all-powerful state may be the cause of asymmetric responses from the aggrieved parties.

No one condones violence, but we must try to understand the root causes and that may require some serious introspection. The violence and hatred directed at the US did not occur in a vacuum. We are part of the problem and we must come to grips with that reality.

April 20, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
dude_abides said...

"She hurt you badly - didn't she Al"

Wow, even that sounds familiar!

Welcome back! Please, no more huge, pasted articles to skip.

April 20, 2013 at 10:21 a.m.
Maximus said...

Clay you are such a putz. No wonder you were passed over by the Pulitzer lefty radicals. Had these two piece of crap brothers and their piece of crap family been white and Christian you and others in the media would have labeled them "Tea Party Fundamentalist Christian" from the git go. You and others have been trashing our culture with political correctness over the past couple of decades to the point where the WWII fighting man would easily eat his lunch while sitting on a dead Nazi while now a U.S. Navy sailor has to make sure we give Al Qaeda terror leader and World Trade Center missior planner OBL a "proper" Muslim burial at sea. I like many of those in Boston only hope we execute this little man who maimed and killed innocent American's enjoying themselves on a sunny day, as fast as we did that piece of crap, Timothy McVee. Send the little Al Qaeda trained terrorist to be with his bastard brother A.S.A.P.

April 20, 2013 at 10:24 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Jt6gR3hM said...MTJohn it is very odd that you have no comment on the religious content of the posts from nucanuck, alprova, mountainlaurel, Donald, delmar, or MickeyRat.

Jt6 - please explain how I could comment on the religious content of posts that did not contain religious content.

April 20, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
Maximus said...

nucanuck......I was waiting for it....The Boston bombings by the piece of crap Al Qaeda trained brothers was the moral equivalent of Obama's drone strikes. That line has been brewing on the lefty websites since last Monday. I am sure Hillary will incorporate that philosophy of weakness into one of her campaign talking points. My response and I rarely support Obama, so what? The American military can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to defend American interests. WE RULE THE NIGHT and that really pisses off my Muslim friends when I tell them that. Need to invade Pakistan to pick up O.B.L, no problem. Need to place a drone in your Mother's dirt hut in Afghanistan, no problem. The only thing the Middle East understands is force and domination and the U.S.A. has plenty of that. When we reduce that force and domination we lose. Obama needs to evaluate who trained the two loser brothers that did the bombings and then send over the drones to destroy the training camps. If we have to take out a few innocents to get it done......NO PROBLEM! If we take off the pressure like Obama is doing with the troop withdrawals the terror attacks will continue on our soil. Again, we are at war with radical Islamic fundamentalism and the sooner we understand this and destroy the networks, including those in the U.S. we will win the war.

April 20, 2013 at 10:38 a.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "alprova you seem to be having some sort of paranoid desire that I am someone from your dark past."

You might think that changing your nic used in this forum and toning down your demeanor is akin to reinventing yourself, but just as one cannot wash off their fingerprints, a leopard cannot remove its spots.

April 20, 2013 at 11:02 a.m.
tifosi said...

Maximus Aluminus Foilus is back

April 20, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

The religious rhetoric here suggest the capacity to be dangerous exist should the mob effect be in play with either faction. It is evident those commenting have a closed mind to other possibilities.

April 20, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Maximus doesn't seem to know that the US led Western Empire has run it's course. We aren't going to be in charge much longer. We are going to have to begin to think in terms of a Fairness Doctrine rather than a Might Makes Right Doctrine.

Why do I believe that? The financial superstructure upon which the West operates is in the midst of slow-motion catastrophic failure. Fractional Reserve Banking and non-productive derivatives have destroyed our economy. We will not have the wealth or credit to continue along the same world-wide militaristic dominance that we have practiced for the last six decades. That is coming to an end. The wealth transfer from West to East will continue, at least until the West reconfigures our financial architecture.

Those who believe that the US led West can continue on with only minor adjustments or different political leaders, are whistling in the wind, IMO.

April 20, 2013 at 11:38 a.m.
Maximus said...

tifosi...no foil just common sense. There is no doubt what so ever that the older brother was inspired and trained by Al Qaeda. Remember, your boy Obama has already called them terrorists just like Bill Ayers who also executed a bombing inspired by his radical leftist leanings. Also, as a little side note, Obama's good Chicago leftist friend Ayers was the son of the CEO of Con Edison, one of America's largest utility firms. Ayers is a typical spoiled brat ruined by generational wealth. Bascially he has never worked a day in his life other than acting out like a child as a leftist college professor at the University of Chicago. "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official." Teddy Roosevelt

April 20, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.
Maximus said...

fairmon....WTF? Weird meaningless gooble d goop. You need to really get off the pot and cough syrup or you are just stupid without any other "possibilities".

April 20, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
Maximus said...

nucanuk....yes you are right, Obama is trashing the country but until one of the Saudi princes or commie punks from China or N. Korea can create a McDonald Douglass, a Boeing, an IBM, a Smith and Wesson, a Microsoft, a Google, a Wal-Mart, you catch my drift nucanuk, as long as we have the profit motive in the U.S. the West will continue to dominate. You must be spending some time on those Al Qaeda sites. The FBI is watching. Do you hear any drones over head? No, the USA will remain the only true super power long after your lousy little prick ass is dust.

April 20, 2013 at 11:52 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Maximus, your big picture vision seems to be constricted above your shoulders and the optic nerve doesn't seem to be the problem. On top of that, you write with a serious lack of class. Try cleaning up your act and your verbiage. Civility is a form of culture, you should try it.

April 20, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
degage said...

Most days conservative and al are having a pissing match over the bible, today is no different. It's like two five year olds on the playground yelling at each other about who can piss farther than the other. The two of you need to get a life.

April 20, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
jesse said...

I would bet that he winds up in Colorodo w/ the una bomber and Eric Rudolph!

Which,if you think about it is worse than the needle!

April 20, 2013 at 12:43 p.m.
nucanuck said...

JonRoss, no one is defending Islamic terrorism, but some of us believe that terrorism, foreign or domestic, has root causes that we should try to find and understand.

April 20, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
conservative said...

Andrew Cuomo decided to get a head start in the marathon race of kooky comments to be made by kooks on kookday Monday:

“It’s a terrible situation in Boston. And, unfortunately, … one gets the sense that this is more reflective of the ‘new normal,’ if you will,” he explained. “So much of society is changing so rapidly. We talk about a ‘new normal’ when it comes to climate change and adjusting to a change in the weather patterns. ‘New normal’ when it comes to public security in a post-9/11 world. Where these random acts of violence, which at one time were implausible, now seem all-too-frequent.”

April 20, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Maybe the atheists need to read this one closely also. And the gays (LGBTQ community?). The sincere and loving people who believe in God do not ascribe to the condemnation of non-believers. God will take care of them without our help.

April 20, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
nucanuck said...

JonRoss, we're not talking about "every evil in the world", we're talking about Islamic terrorism's root causes. Christianity and Islam have been at loggerheads since at least the Crusades. More recently the British cartographers carved up the Islamic world into unnatural political subdivisions that served Western interests. The West super-imposed Israel onto Islamic holy sites and made refugees out of most of the inhabitants. That was followed by over-throwing numerous Middle East governments that didn't meet our needs and generally having our way with the whole region. The political and military atrocities committed against the region could keep the World Court busy for a century.

How can you or anyone not believe that the West has not created a caldron of resentment throughout the entire Middle East? The fact that they fight back asymmetrically should come as no surprise. They are ill-equipped to fight otherwise.

The way I see it, as long as we continue to intervene in their governance and commit atrocities in their countries, terrorism will remain a bi-product of our behavior.

Put the shoe on the other foot, how would we react?

April 20, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.

nucanuck said...Consider the possibility that state sponsored terrorism rained down by an all-powerful state may be the cause of asymmetric responses from the aggrieved parties.

Do elaborate. Exactly who are these “aggrieved parties,” minding their own business, sipping tea and eatng bon-bons until the big bad wolf swaggers by, and, hating their religion, randomly bombs them back to the Stone Age? If only the world were as simple as you suggest.

No one condones violence, but we must try to understand the root causes and that may require some serious introspection. The violence and hatred directed at the US did not occur in a vacuum. We are part of the problem and we must come to grips with that reality.

Plenty of people condone violence to get what they want – be they religious, secular, left-wing, right-wing, etc. Sometimes state violence is used; sometimes their violence is independent of the state. It is not bound to a single ideology. Several leftist posters on this forum, for example, have advocated the extermination of their political or theological opponents. Their preferred methods have included the bombing of churches. The world is, in fact, a dangerous place, with or without the obnoxious, annoying Baptist down the street. Ignorance of this fact in the modern world has led to many wars and needless losses of life – far more than has any of your imagined non-Muslim jihadist movements.

You say, “The violence and hatred directed at the US did not occur in a vacuum.” Indeed. Absolutist states hate freedom and hate those who ally with those opposing absolutism. Traditional cultures, including many populated by Muslims, thoroughly resent Western secular values. They resent not only the West’s material wealth, but also its materialist worldview and its reductionist, de-humanizing attitudes toward families, the weak, and the marginalized. Where was the revival of religion in the West that you imagine sparked global jihadism? Violence and hatred directed at the West has increased as the influence of Christianity here has declined. Many African Muslims, for example, have no problem living at peace with Christian and animist minorities in their cultures (unless they request equal treatment. Then it’s a different story.) They, instead, see Western secularists and their disrespect and intolerance toward religion and non-western cultures as the biggest threat to their values and their way of life.

Ignorance of the substantial differences among religions and cultures is a large source of the West’s problems interacting with the rest of the world. Today’s cartoon promotes such ignorance. It, along with ignorance of our country’s own intrinsically internationalist history, is the source of the isolationalist and pacifist sentiments so popular on this forum and in the pop culture and campaign speeches of societies (like ours) that don’t have to face the brutal realities experienced in many other cultures.

April 20, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.

nucanuck said...We must try to understand the root causes. We are part of the problem and we must come to grips with that reality.

Indeed. The root cause is human sin, in its endless variety of forms. The secular worldview is naïve and dangerous, and to be rejected by thinking persons. The secular “gods” were out taking a whiz they concocted the idea that the West could thrive – or even survive – without Christian values. That was Nietszche’s great insight. The god-like power of the state has been a notoriously ill-conceived usurper to Christendom. The modern, secular West has certainly not been given to serious introspection. It was (and is) adroitly avoiding it. The world is complex. International affairs are complex. What is wrong with the world is not “those types over there.” We are each what’s wrong with the world. Fundamentally, we need a worldview that undermines nationalism, nativism, absolutism, self-righteous moralism, and materialism and replaces it with sacrificial, self-denying love and justice. But where?

Christianity and Islam have been at loggerheads since at least the Crusades.

Since antiquity, Rome has been at loggerheads with those who oppose its violent libido dominandi. Root causes indeed. Ad fontes.

April 20, 2013 at 2:48 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Nucanuck, you make very some good points. But the arrogant, chest-thumping Neanderthals like JR and Maximus and others will never see it that way. Remember when Bush made the comment that he "doesn't do nuance?" I'm sure that many conservatives thumped their chests especially hard and vigorously on hearing him say that, and probably let loose with a "Yeehaw! as well. Conservatives cannot deal with the complexities of a nuanced world, they have to reduce everything to good/evil or black/white; they lack the quality of introspection and in fact they find it effeminate and disgusting. A forceful, manly image and a show of outward strength are all that matter to them. I won't be so derisive or smug as to say that they are of inferior intelligence but to put it more nicely, I'll just say that they are wired differently. They will never be able to put the shoe on the other foot or to connect the dots between our acts of aggression and the repercussions that those actions might bring. They are one-dimensional in that regard.

I honestly don't know how to combat that. Debate is almost useless and it's impossible to reason with them. It's not really even a case of who is right and who is wrong; it's simply a matter of how we see the world around us in such vastly different ways. We're living in a 21st century world in which some have evolved spiritually and mentally and refuse to accept that war is just the inevitable condition of humankind and see world peace as a real possibility and something to strive for. But there are still many among us who behave and think like they just crawled out of the caves and the only way to survive is to wield a big club and grunt louder than the next person. Of course, they will object to that observation but that's because they don't have the ability to look inward, only outward, and they see only 2 inches or so beyond their noses. Also, they're too lost in the sound of their own grunting to be able to hear what's really being said.

April 20, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
nucanuck said...

JR,

Clay is smart enough to have roped you in to his topic of choice for the day.

April 20, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
nucanuck said...

wwwtw,

Christians do not have a corner on values and much of current Christian behavior must be a perversion of Christian values.

April 20, 2013 at 4:11 p.m.
nucanuck said...

So JR, make up your mind, is Clay a half-wit or smart? You have said both in the last few minutes.

April 20, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"... the same Progressive hand wringing and stupidity that begged Hitler for mercy rather than confronting him." - JR

Care to give some examples of across-the-board Progressive pacifist hand-wringing during WW2? Sure, there were some isolated instances from people who considered themselves pacifists under any circumstances, but being a liberal does not automatically make one a pacifist. Here is the congressional record of Dec. 8, 1941 on the vote for declaring war on Japan: 82-0 in the Senate, 388-1 in the House; for declaring war on Germany (Dec. 11, 1941), 88-0 in the Senate, 393-0 in the House; and on June 5, 1942 it was unanimous in both the Senate and the House to declare war on Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary.

There has never been a time when Americans - both liberal and conservative - were more united in a common cause than during WW2. JR, you seem to just like slinging mud at liberals even when you have to create the mud out of thin air before you sling it.

April 20, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
Maximus said...

nucanuck...judging from your handle you must either be from Canada or wish you were there, if so, you have no dog in this hunt. Canada, the most irrelevant country in the world. As far as my "verbiage" clarity is refreshing. Your threads are laced with such politically correct nonsense it is difficult t ascertain what you are actually trying to say. Most of the time your themes are anti-American so again, I am pegging you as a doper from Canada without a healthy brain cell in your head so shut it. Thanks Canuckle Head.

April 20, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.
Maximus said...

Why are liberals so soft on radical Islamic terrorism? Could it be the bi-sexual nature of Islamic culture. It is written, Muhammad liked little boys. I know, I know, I'm a neanderthal that likes my women blond and my Johnny Walker Red.

April 20, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"So ricaboo, the cops in Watertown MA shot bullets at the jihad boy. Are the cops Neanderthals ? They didn't give peace a chance." - JR

This is a perfect example of how you thump your chest and grunt so loud that you can't hear what's really being said. There is a time for action and spit-thinking decision making. I happen to think that those cops and everyone involved in the man-hunt acted superbly. I do not defend or try to make excuses for what those two young punks did. I hope that the one who is still alive pays for his heinous crime with the full force of the law. My panties are not in any kind of wad, JR, especially not over anything you say.

April 20, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
tifosi said...

MAXIMUS... STFU!!! YOU IGNORANT SOB.

April 20, 2013 at 4:34 p.m.
tifosi said...

Using Maxipuss's rationale, since he likes to drink scotch so much, I guess he also likes to wear skirts. And the cigar is just a substitute for what he really likes to suck on.

April 20, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

MTJohn said...

“Jt6 - please explain how I could comment on the religious content of posts that did not contain religious content.”


A world without religion might be far more peaceful.

Religious intolerance may well be a contributing factor in more unnatural deaths than all other causes.

Christians ain't innocent of anything and are responsible for more death and misery than all other religious cults. With the exception of the Inquisition they are supported by and partially funded by the right wing. Oh, and I forgot Tim McVey. He was a Catholic; the largest cabal of 'Christian' murderers & pedophiles on earth.

Why doesn't God speak up against the hate and violence perpetuated by his followers. Has anyone seen or heard from him lately?

Has anyone seen or heard from him(god) lately? Umm, because nobody's EVER heard from him!?

Christians do not have a corner on values and much of current Christian behavior must be a perversion of Christian values.


These are your political compatriots.

They don’t seem to have much use or respect for your professed faith.

April 20, 2013 at 5:46 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

MAXIMUS... STFU!!! YOU IGNORANT SOB.

Using Maxipuss's rationale, since he likes to drink scotch so much, I guess he also likes to wear skirts. And the cigar is just a substitute for what he really likes to suck on.


Maximus

Congratulations - It seems you own this one lock, stock, and barrel but he’s such a small fry that you may have to throw him back.

April 20, 2013 at 5:54 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Imagine a world without atheism...without the Soviet and Chinese gulags and North Korea...without taxing US Christians for unGodly schools and unGodly programs...

April 20, 2013 at 6:04 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

JR, I might indeed suffer from an intellectual gap. If I really had any sense I would not waste my time responding to your inane comments. Your 5:16 post makes no sense whatsoever. Do you ever actually think about what you're saying or do idiotic words of right-wing nonsense just flow out of your disturbed brain like vomit from a nauseated stomach?

April 20, 2013 at 6:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

Max, the Tin Foil Troll blathers - but until one of the Saudi princes or commie punks from China or N. Korea can create a McDonald Douglass, a Boeing, an IBM, a Smith and Wesson, a Microsoft, a Google, a Wal-Mart . . .

Let me help you out. Here is a list of some people you may not know - along with the companies they are most associated with:

HRH Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud

Citibank, News Corporation, Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts, Time Warner, Walt Disney Company, Canary Wharf, Twitter, Plaza Hotel, Apple

Ahmad Al Sayed

Credit Suisse, Glencore, Xstrata

Khalid Al Falih

Aramco

Omar Yaghi

BASF

Mohammed Abu Ghazaleh

Fresh Del Monte

Elie Khouri

Omnicon Media Group (represents McDonalds, IKEA, Bentley, Sony)

Mohammad Alshaya

IHOP, Shake Shack

Mohammend El Erian

PIMCO, Harvard Management Company

Nayla Hayek

Swatch Group, Omega

April 20, 2013 at 6:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Imagine a world without atheism...without the Soviet and Chinese gulags and North Korea...without taxing US Christians for unGodly schools and unGodly programs...

Imagine a US with real religious freedom, where the majority is not allowed to impose their sectarian views on the rest of the population. Imagine a US that doesn't have people like Andrew Lohr blaming the ills of foreign dictatorships on atheists.

April 20, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.
nucanuck said...

Maximus, judging from your handle, you must be filled with self-important arrogance. Judging from your posts, you are a semi-informed blow-hard, bully type that doesn't stand up to close inspection.

Why am I not surprised that you have difficulty with my posts, most here seem to understand them.

Why should my place of residence limit my access to this forum?

April 20, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Why do Progressives / Democrats / Obamists reflexively defend Islamic terrorism ?"

That's just like asking you why you beat your kids, your wife, or your dog...that is if you have any.

April 20, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
limric said...

Very good Cartoon today Clay. Very good indeed.

The commentary though has been, mmm - eye opening - to say the least.

Keeping with the theme of the Hillsdale graduates posting here today, that theme being Orwellian ignorance, faux hubris, obtuseness, imitation patriotism and one historical novelist; I have a question for these clucking barn yard chicken hawks that say:

[“Why do Progressives / Democrats / Obamists reflexively defend Islamic terrorism?”

”Call the CIA......get the waterboard ready!” ”Obama needs to evaluate who trained the two loser brothers that did the bombings and then send over the drones to destroy the training camps. If we have to take out a few innocents to get it done......NO PROBLEM!”

”if we can identify a bombers training center, then it should definitely meet Mr. Drone and all his adorable little missile friends.”

” European Progressive sickness that destabilized Europe and brought on WW I. Wilson contracted Progressive fever but was overruled by common sense and the American people.”]

The question: Where to send a drone and a hellfire? Boston? Chattanooga? Oh, how about southern Russia? Whoops, Sorry Mr. Yeltsin.

Or shall we (as you chicken sh!t pussies always want) hit some ”Mother's dirt hut in Afghanistan.”

Disgusting!!

P.S. Tifosi,Your 4:50 p.m. post hit it right over the Green Monster at Fenway. Nicely done.

April 20, 2013 at 7:30 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

lkeithlu,

You stated that Andrew is "imposing" his beliefs on you. Well according to the meaning of the word impose then that would be a false statement. He is merely posting his opinions as are the rest of us on here. I will post the meaning of the word Impose below so you don't have to look it up.

I am a little surprised at your misuse of that word with your education. Are you intimadited when someone post about God or Jesus?

"IMPOSE"

  1. To establish or apply as compulsory; levy: impose a tax.
  2. To apply or make prevail by or as if by authority: impose a peace settlement. See Synonyms at dictate.
  3. To obtrude or force (oneself, for example) on another or others.
  4. Printing To arrange (type or plates) on an imposing stone.
  5. To offer or circulate fraudulently; pass off: imposed a fraud on consumers. v.intr. To take unfair advantage: You are always imposing on their generosity.
April 20, 2013 at 8:02 p.m.
degage said...

Nurse, you are right, but by ike using the word the way she did she is holding herself the same as Andrew since she wants to IMPOSE??? her beliefs on the rest of us. It is alright for her to be an Atheist, but leave the rest of us alone to believe as we wish.

April 20, 2013 at 8:45 p.m.
limric said...

Nurseforjustice,

Please show where lkeithlu states Andrew is ‘imposing his beliefs’. I might be missing something, but I don’t see that anywhere. Her 6:34 p.m. post (if that is the reference) does not fit your stated criteria, ie. (misuse of the word) whatsoever.

By the way Mrs. To busy to be homecoming queen, 'intimadited' is spelled 'intimidated'.

Poink!

April 20, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Nurse, you are right, but by ike using the word the way she did she is holding herself the same as Andrew since she wants to IMPOSE??? her beliefs on the rest of us."

But Sir, when people are expressing their beliefs, they have no life, right?

"It is alright for her to be an Atheist, but leave the rest of us alone to believe as we wish."

I've got a better idea. You post what you want, read what you want, and others will do the same.

Okay?

April 20, 2013 at 8:49 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Andrew represents those that would establish Christianity in our government and schools. That is what I mean by impose their beliefs. Not on me personally.

BTW, atheism is a belief like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

April 20, 2013 at 8:53 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Limric,

Technically you are correct, she did not directly say that Andrew was imposing his beliefs as she has said so many other times. However, if you can't see the insinuation then you are not nearly as smart as you pretend on here. I will repost her words.

"Imagine a US with real religious freedom, where the majority is not allowed to impose their sectarian views on the rest of the population. Imagine a US that doesn't have people like Andrew Lohr blaming the ills of foreign dictatorships on atheists."

Obviously she is responding to Andrews post of April 20, 2013 at 6:04 p.m.

April 20, 2013 at 9:02 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

By the way Mr. "I am the only one on here that can spell and write a complete thought", EYE misspelled ah wordt. Somebody fire me.

And I would be the King not the Queen. Pay attention.

April 20, 2013 at 9:08 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

And, nurse, I was. Andrew suggests that our government and schools are godless and he is right. In order for them to be religiously neutral, they must be "godless". If not, whose god is chosen to be represented? Andrew also blames the scourges of dictators on atheism. Most dictators were religious-their object of worship simply shifted to themselves. Hitler was a Catholic-his countrymen were either Catholic or Lutheran. Stalin went to seminary. Hirohito WAS a god, according to his people. Most people have religious beliefs, so most criminals, dictators, despots believe in a god or gods. Many of them believed that they were divinely chosen to rule.

To blame the world's ills on atheists false and ridiculous.

April 20, 2013 at 9:10 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

"Andrew represents those that would establish Christianity in our government and schools. That is what I mean by impose their beliefs. Not on me personally."

Well I can't argue that one. He would have to take that up with you.

If I asked you if you believed in God, your response would be "NO". The implication in a complete sentence would be "I do not BELIEVE in God." Would that technically be a belief or not?

April 20, 2013 at 9:14 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

"To blame the world's ills on atheists false and ridiculous."

I agree with you last post regarding the dictators and world leaders. Most leaders do claim some sort of religion.

That is what I am used to with you. Oddly enough we agree more than we disagree most of the time.

April 20, 2013 at 9:19 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I do not believe in anything supernatural. Santa, Easter Bunny, ghosts, demons, gods or angels. I do not collect stamps or beanie babies, either. Emphasis on the word NOT, not believe. That puts me in a very small minority. MOST people do, including dictators, presidents, criminals, and also good, law abiding people as well.

So whose religious beliefs would Andrew have taught? A narrow, sectarian, young earth sort of belief. That would appeal to about 30% of the population overall.

Oddly enough we agree more than we disagree most of the time.

Indeed we do!

April 20, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.
limric said...

Ahh, excuse me ‘King of All Stethoscopes. ’ I sit corrected. I shall henceforth pay attention.

Sorry

April 20, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Thanks.... I like that name! =) You are the funny one on here.

April 20, 2013 at 9:46 p.m.
dude_abides said...

maximusk said... "WE RULE THE NIGHT and that really pisses off my Muslim friends when I tell them that."

Christ, you're like a little boy with your obvious lies! lmao

April 20, 2013 at 10 p.m.

The only generalization more simplistic and self-serving than blaming "an entire religion for the acts of a few" is blaming “religion” itself for violence in the world.

April 20, 2013 at 11:35 p.m.
Maximus said...

dude.... is it a lie that the 101st. Airborne Rangers rule the night and can invade and kill anywhere in the world any time they want to? Dude you are so gay that you don't know whose dick you sucked last Wednesday night. Remember, it was that black guy on Market Street that you went to high school with. Dude abides is a very common handle in the Chatt gay community. Only you and Clay Bennett know the secret code. Losers.

April 21, 2013 at 12:13 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Flagged, Maxie. Waaay inappropriate. Maybe you shouldn't drink and post.

April 21, 2013 at 6:53 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The only generalization more simplistic and self-serving than blaming "an entire religion for the acts of a few" is blaming “religion” itself for violence in the world.

Religion is not to "blame" but religious differences are one of the many "us" and "them" excuses for conflict. After all, why do you think anti-Semitism is so prevalent in the western (primarily Christian) world? Take a guess.

My issue is with those that try to blame non-believers for the world's ills. We are no more responsible than believers; if anything, we are less responsible because there are so few of us. Arguments like conservative's (they are not TROO Christians therefore they are atheists) are false and really just a convenient excuse. Even truly bad people (sociopaths) often believe in the supernatural. They just are incapable of empathy for others.

April 21, 2013 at 7:57 a.m.
delmar said...

lkeithlu, Maximus isn't old enough to drink, he is only 13 years old. His mother was concerned about him and sent in this question about tailbone pain.

http://www.healthcaremagic.com/questions/Child-has-tailbone-pain-sitting-for-long-periods-Could-this-be-causing-pain/287854

April 21, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
limric said...

Oh yea, I forgot this very important 'Public Service Announcement.'

Better late then never. Wot wot?

April 21, 2013 at 4:43 p.m.
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