published Tuesday, March 4th, 2014

Creation

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Purely an attempt to be controversial in the buckle of the Bible belt. A hater.

March 4, 2014 at 12:09 a.m.

Is this supposed to be payback for the UAW being thoroughly rejected by the VW workers? Taking another jab at the south.

March 4, 2014 at 12:12 a.m.

oh, I get it, this is autobiographical! He's promoting his alternative lifestyle, bestiality.

March 4, 2014 at 12:22 a.m.

Did Bennett use his hand as a reference, the one on the left, I mean.

March 4, 2014 at 12:35 a.m.

Why this and not something on the Ukraine toon man? Rather beat a dead horse and insult your Bible belt neighbors, then focus on the laughing stock of the world, B. Horses Ass Obozo?

What Cartoonist of any worth ignores what's going on the Ukraine now? How about a cartoon with Obozo with his finger up his nose and Chuck Hagel picking fleas out of Obozos scalp while Putin laughs?

March 4, 2014 at 12:43 a.m.

Or maybe Bennett doesn't want to insult or criticize Putin, a fellow commie. Same with Obozo. Obozo really admires Putin.

March 4, 2014 at 12:47 a.m.

Putin is rolling out his war machine and what do we have, the president and vice president jogging around the WH promoting hydration, and the Secretary of D. proudly announcing how weak our military is going to be now with all the major cuts. Putin and the head loon of China are now uniting on the Ukraine, meanwhile Michelle is planning a trip to China with her daughters to promote education. Maybe when she goes there she'll try some dog, it's probably the only thing in the world she's never eaten.

March 4, 2014 at 12:52 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

zab, you seem a little frustrated this morning, LOL. Could you not have condensed your frustration in fewer posts or are you just talking to yourself? Seven posts in 45 minutes?

Why do you torture yourself so? A simple Google of "Ukraine cartoons" will give you your fill of toons regarding that subject. Meanwhile, in our state, conservatives seem bent on discrediting science in favor of bronze age superstitions.

Please tell us what the WH should be doing in regards to the Ukraine situation? Everything I have seen from the right is to simply critcize while offering no solutions. Throwing spitballs from the sidelines is not a policy.

March 4, 2014 at 3:03 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

DON'T GO THERE

Why would you pinhead tea baggers want to bring up the President and Putin? You think Vlad is acting like a leader for invading Crimea? You think leadership is invading another country on trumped up charges? To be fair, I suppose it would be impossible for you to reach any other conclusion when operating from an intellectual position of cynical ignorance.

At least President Obama didn't meet Putin and say, ""I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy….I was able to get a sense of his soul." (George W. Bush, after meeting Putin, June 16, 2001.) And how did our former President react when Putin invaded Georgia? Well, there wasn't much he could do outside of talking tough and threatening sanctions.

Ukraine, however, is different, and Obama would be wise to take the tact of 'Don't just do something, sit there.'

When markets opened on monday morning the Russian stock indexes fell by more than 10%. In one day $60 billion vanished which is more than Putin spent preparing Sochi for the Winter Olympics. Surveys designed to measure Russian support for the invasion actually showed over 70% are opposed. The Ruble dropped against the dollar to its lowest point in history and the Russian central bank spent $10 billion on the foreign exchange markets trying to prop it up. The Russian economy is stagnant and, according to Timothy Ash, head of emerging market research at Standard Bank, "This latest military adventure will increase capital flight, weaken Russian asset prices, and slow investment activity and growth. Western financial sanctions on Russia will hurt further," Ash told the Wall Street Journal.

So go ahead pinheads, keep admiring Putin and bashing Obama. You clowns will go to any length to criticize this American President, even when it looks like treason.

March 4, 2014 at 4:01 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Although it may be inconvenient to some, evolution is basically indisputable. It is observable and based on evidence. It discounts superstition and only applies reason and logic for its conclusion.

All civilizations have had their gods who were supposed to be the creators of life and the universe. All were based on ignorance, imagination, and fear of the unknown. All believed theirs was the true God.

Sadly, many people wish to hold on to irrational and ancient beliefs despite overwhelming scientific evidence.

March 4, 2014 at 5:04 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Great job Clay.

Oh, and Blackwater48, as religion is today's subject (in a round about way) lets not overlook the musings of Saint Ronnie, who, in reference to the Taliban said quote: "These gentlemen are the moral equivalent to Americas founding fathers."

March 4, 2014 at 5:51 a.m.
fairmon said...

Regardless of religious beliefs or political ideology Americans in a time if crisis or issues like Ukraine should support the POTUS. The U.S. has no obligation to police the world and doing nothing is ok if the U.S. is not threatened.

March 4, 2014 at 5:58 a.m.
fairmon said...

The behavior of people supports the theory of evolution.

March 4, 2014 at 6 a.m.
wallyworld said...

The good thing about science, is it's true whether YOU believe in it or not.

March 4, 2014 at 6:13 a.m.
limric said...

Fairmon wisely said...

”The U.S. has no obligation to police the world and doing nothing is ok if the U.S. is not threatened”.

Exactly!

”The behavior of people supports the theory of evolution.”

While this may be in a general sense true; the 'actions' of people would seem to support that of dogma’s manipulation.

March 4, 2014 at 6:48 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

How can you look at the TN legislature and still believe in Intelligent Design?

March 4, 2014 at 6:53 a.m.
conservative said...

The Godless are certain to be angry today.

However, someone needs to tell them the truth about evolution.

It might as well be me.

March 4, 2014 at 7:18 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

However, someone needs to tell them the truth about evolution.

It might as well be me.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!

March 4, 2014 at 7:30 a.m.
rick1 said...

Putin has no fear of Obama because Obama has time after time shown himself to be incompetent, weak and uninterested in being President. Obama is not interested in governing he only cares about taking vacations, socializing with his Hollywood friends, campaigning and taking vacations.

Obama has consistently shown the entire world that his word means nothing and has continuously turned his back on our allies while bowing to our enemies.

It is very simple just remember America’s allies = Obama’s enemies and America’s enemies = Obama’s allies.

Obama has made is red line threat has been laid down several times with no consequences when it was crossed, he made himself look like a fool after making this threat against Syria and tried to spin it to make himself look like victory for himself and it was Putin who came in and took control. Nothing has changed in Syria and the chemical weapons are not being taken out as fast has what had been agreed too.

Obama’s Rest Policy with Russia has been a complete failure and Obama has cut military spending back to pre WWII levels, This past Friday Obama called Putin and told him there would e heavy costs to pay if he invaded the Ukraine. Approximately 30 minutes later Obama told the world he was at Happy Hour with his fellow democrats. That shows Putin and the rest of the world how engaged and serious he is. The next morning he did not attend a National Security meeting to discuss the Ukraine and a few hours later Putin had his troops invade the Ukraine. And how did the Whitehouse respond to not make Obama look bad? They said it was not an invasion it was an “uncontested arrival.”

In Libya, Obama did not show leadership by leading from behind but more importantly Obama showed once again how weak and incompetent he is when he did send troops in to try to save 4 Americans but then blamed the terrorist attack in Benghazi on a video. Obama then stood and told the world he would bring those responsible for the deaths to justice. The only one he brought justice was the maker of the video who was not reasonable for what happened in Benghazi.

He has shown weakness with Iran. After Iran agreed to limit some of its technology in an initial agreement, Iran is now saying it t will not roll back centrifuges, and it will not stop a plutonium plant project. This is in violation of U.N. sanctions to immediately stop uranium enrichment. While the U.S. and Europe want a permanent end to Iran's enrichment. Negotiators from our country have indicated Obama may accept a low level enrichment program.

Either Obama is completely incompetent or he maybe Obama is doing this by design. Obama hates this country and what it stands for.

He maybe he is purposely making us a much weaker country so we will be invaded someday like Ukraine has.

March 4, 2014 at 7:41 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

O.K., 'Something came from Nothing'. Oh, what is that Nothing? Let me answer that question. That 'Nothing' is 'Something'. Now, let me see...That 'Something' that came from 'Nothing' knew how to create 'Everything'! And You know what? Some people say that 'Nothing/Something' had no Intelligence. Wow, what a faith! What a belief system! Go figure. Those 'There is no God', or, 'There is no Jesus Christ' folks truly amaze me. (:>&=; Ken ORR

March 4, 2014 at 7:48 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken Orr, lie down before you hurt yourself.

March 4, 2014 at 7:50 a.m.
conservative said...

The gist of evolution is - nobody times nothing equals everything.

March 4, 2014 at 7:52 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

That's Rich conservative! That's truly Rich! You go, guy! I wish I had said that. kwo

March 4, 2014 at 7:54 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

That just demonstrates that you know nothing about it conservative, but of course we already knew that.

March 4, 2014 at 7:55 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

hotdiggity said...

Although it may be inconvenient to some, evolution is basically indisputable.

BENNETT AND HOTDIGGITY ARE PARTIALLY CORRECT, AS THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR: LIBERALS CAME FROM APES; CONSERVATIVES CAME FROM GOD.

March 4, 2014 at 7:56 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Believe what you like, joe. Doesn't make it real.

I have yet, in all my years, to meet a person arguing against evolution that knew the first thing about evolution.

March 4, 2014 at 8 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

[Guy #1] He said,"I have faith in Jesus Christ...I Win!"

[Guy # 2] But the other guy said, "I have faith in evolution...I Win!"

So, guy #2 then said, "Hey, I win. I get to behave like Ellen DeGenerate, but, You don't because Your faith is not in evolution but in Jesus Christ. I get to behave like a beast/animal/dogs, whatever.

Now, I ask You...'Who really wins'? kwo

March 4, 2014 at 8 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

No one has "faith" in evolution, Ken.

March 4, 2014 at 8:01 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Oh, so it does not take faith to believe that something came from nothing?

March 4, 2014 at 8:03 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

When you can get past your fallacious "something from nothing" misrepresentation of the subject as well as your idea that faith has any part in the scientific process, we can have a conversation.

Given your history, I am not holding my breath.

March 4, 2014 at 8:05 a.m.
jesse said...

"A casual stroll thru the lunatic asylum will show you "FAITH" does not prove anything!!" Fredric Nietzsche.

March 4, 2014 at 8:21 a.m.
conservative said...

Now, the Godless Atheists who push evolution whereby nobody times nothing equals or became everything incredibly call evolution science!

March 4, 2014 at 8:27 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The Father of Racism, Charles Darwin, had one of the greatest faiths of all...anti-Christ faith.

The origin and labeling of the “so called” Caucasian, Negroid, and Mongoloid Races by 19th Century scientists, started racial groupings based on skin color by naturalists and anthropologists like Johann F. Blumenbach, JA Gobineau and HS Chamberlain. These men also equated skin color to psychological value and importance to race. Blumenbach named whites after the Caucasus Mountains because he thought the purest white people originated there. He didn't seem to realize the following:

Russia, Chechens, Armenians, and other Southern Russians are considered to have Black Negro origins and Caucasus Mountains people are classified as "black" and are discriminated against. Blacks have lived in Southern Russia since prehistoric times and have occupied the Black Sea Region since the time of Senwosret/Sesostris (2000 BC) when Africans dominated the region. (SEE 'HERODOTUS' ON THE COLCHIANS).

Ken ORR

March 4, 2014 at 8:29 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Conservative, you probably shouldn't even try. You make Ken Orr look like Einstein.

March 4, 2014 at 8:29 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not debating evolution. But other than to incite, what is the point of this toon?

March 4, 2014 at 8:30 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Give it up, Ken. Nothing you are posting refutes evolution, and it is mostly incorrect. Probably need to be more selective of your sources.

March 4, 2014 at 8:32 a.m.
Maximus said...

Adam had very, very high testosterone. He wore Eve out on numerous occasions especially after she listened to that lying Democrat snake in the grass Satan and bought in to his welfare forbidden fruit message.

Evolution is such a boring topic to cover especially when millions are having issues with a Obamacare a health plan that is an evolving disaster. Have you noticed, Obama's accountability folia continues, he does not want to talk about healthcare.

March 4, 2014 at 8:32 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Good point, PT. And until zab went off the deep end just after midnight, I agreed with him too. This hasn't been an issue at the forefront of the news lately.

March 4, 2014 at 8:33 a.m.
kkemerait said...

Orr, no it doesn't require "faith"...not if you are defining faith as belief in the absence of, or contrary to the evidence. Now if you are redefining faith so that you can make an inflammatory statement, well I can't address that...

The evidence that science has accumulated is best explained, at least in cosmology, by what is referred to as the "big bang", or maybe more properly the big expansion. It says NOTHING about what existed prior, nor does it address the causality of the expansion. In other words it says nothing about the existence of anything prior to space-time.

If someone wishes to believe in God, that's their right, if they want to believe in a literal Adam and Eve, they can...if they choose to believe the earth is 6000 (or 10000) years old, they are free to do so. What they are NOT free to do is to call those beliefs "science", not are they free to label science as religious dogma requiring blind faith.

Right or wrong...science goes where the data points - regardless of how "absurd" or "incredible" it may seem to people of "faith"

March 4, 2014 at 8:37 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

lu; thanks for showing left leaning fairness (at times) 👏

March 4, 2014 at 8:44 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

This one won't go to hundreds of comments. Too few people would be interested, and Creationists have a problem with coming to a machine gun fight armed with bananas.

March 4, 2014 at 8:47 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

kkemerait, when I was in the Army the mechanics in the motor pool would often talk about a 'sky hook'. It was funny to speak of a hook connecting to the air.

Well, evolution tries to build upon a 'non-foundation'. Pretty much, this even tops the military mechanic's notion of a sky hook. Evolution is vastly more absurd than the 'sky hook', having no foundation upon which to build. It is 'smoke and mirrors', having so many laughable past hoaxes and other deceptions. This also describes the anti-Christ. Both are the same.

Ken ORR

March 4, 2014 at 8:48 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Going to breakfast now. I do not mean to 'bump and run'. I will return and respond. kwo

March 4, 2014 at 8:49 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You don't know anything about evolution, Ken, and plenty of scientists who accept evolution are Christians.

How about when you return you bring a definition of evolution with you, Ken. Because your "sky hook" analogy doesn't fit.

March 4, 2014 at 8:53 a.m.
kkemerait said...

Dear Orr,

Yes, there certainly were some hoaxes perpetrated, and guess who uncovered and exposed them...the scientific community did so after examining and testing the data presented....you don't seem to have a problem accepting scientific verification in those cases.

Exactly what "non-foundation" does evolution attempt to build on and what testable theory would you propose as an alternative which can do at least as good a job at explaining all of the data accumulated from archaeology, molecular biology, anthropology and genetics over the years?

March 4, 2014 at 9:06 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not convinced the two are incompatible.

March 4, 2014 at 9:08 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Christianity and science are compatible. Fundamentalist Christianity that requires a literal interpretation of Genesis is not compatible with science, because the evidence refutes the Genesis account. Thankfully most Christians are not literalists.

March 4, 2014 at 9:17 a.m.
conservative said...

The Atheists and unbelievers and non Christians, who are often the same attack Scripture, God's word.

The first words of the Bible plainly states "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

So, one has two clear choices, he either believes Scripture, thus God, or he doesn't. Now, if one doesn't believe these first words then one can easily not believe or be bamboozled into not believing other portions of Scripture.

I believe this is the main reason why Atheists keep holding on to the impossibility of evolution whereby nobody times nothing became everything. This nonsense must be believed or God must be believed and so the choice is easy for them regardless of the irrationality that nothing became something and that something became life without God.

March 4, 2014 at 9:21 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You are out of your league, conservative. Bet you can't define evolution any better than Ken does.

But of course you are welcome to try. Have at it.

March 4, 2014 at 9:22 a.m.
kkemerait said...

Dear conservative .... evolutionary theory says absolutely NOTHING about the origin of life...zero, null, nothing.

Please, even if you don't accept evolution, learn what it is before you try critiquing it in a public venue ... unless being ridiculed is your goal.

March 4, 2014 at 9:25 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

On another note, The Rutgers University faculty council has passed a resolution calling for the school to rescind Condoleezza Rice’s invitation to speak at commencement. yeah, boy, that's the tolerant Left

March 4, 2014 at 9:32 a.m.
jjmez said...

zableedofisterix said... Why this and not something on the Ukraine toon man? focus on the laughing stock of the world, B. Horses Ass Obozo? What Cartoonist of any worth ignores what's going on the Ukraine now? How about a cartoon with Obozo with his finger up his nose and Chuck Hagel picking fleas out of Obozos scalp while Putin laughs?


We don't wish you to bruise or harm that lil pea inside your head or cause anymore damage that's already been done, but try reading something of substance and value sometimes. Free yourself from right wingNUT exaggerations and lies then regurgitating them as if they're fact.

But this crisis (in the Ukraine) is Putin’s Waterloo (NOT Obama's), not ours/U.S.. Missing from this “analysis” about how Obama should respond is why Obama should respond. After all, the US has few strategic interests in the former Soviet Union and little ability to affect Russian decision-making. Our interests lie in a stable Europe,

Which brings us to perhaps the most bizarre element of watching the Crimean situation unfold through a US-centric lens: the iron-clad certainty of the pundit class that Putin is winning and Obama is losing. The exact opposite is true.

Putin has initiated a conflict that will, quite obviously, result in greater diplomatic and political isolation as well as the potential for economic sanction. He’s compounded his loss of a key ally in Kiev by further enflaming Ukrainian nationalism, and his provocations could have a cascading effect in Europe by pushing countries that rely on Russia’s natural gas exports to look elsewhere for their energy needs. Putin is the leader of a country with a weak military, an under-performing economy and a host of social, environmental and health-related challenges. Seizing the Crimea will only make the problems facing Russia that much greater.

For Obama and the US, sure, there might be less Russian help on Syria going forward – not that there was much to begin with – and it could perhaps affect negotiations on Iran. But those issues are manageable. Meanwhile, Twitter and the opinion pages and the Sunday shows and too many blog posts that could be informative have been filled with an over-the-top notion: that failure to respond to Russia’s action will weaken America’s credibility with its key allies. To which I would ask: where are they gonna go? If anything, America’s key European allies are likely to fold the quickest, because, you know, gas. And why would any US ally in the Far East want Obama wasting his time on the Crimea anyway?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/03/obama-ukraine-russia-critics-credibility?CMP=ema_565

March 4, 2014 at 9:50 a.m.
Landgrabbr said...

Ken and others,

Please, let us not reduce this thread to the likes of Facebook for we do care if you are going to eat breakfast, feed your pets or take a crap. We will not cease to exist nor this debate end due to your absence.

March 4, 2014 at 9:56 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

PlainTruth, Not being able to stay on topic, you wander off and then define your news breaker with the usual piss ant conclusion, ”yeah, boy, that's the tolerant Left” You of course failed to mention the faculty’s reason for urging the school to rescind Condoleezza {the war criminal} Rice’s invitation to speak at commencement.

'Tolerance' is not shipping her off to Abu Ghraib where she (and her like-minded criminal co-conspirators) deserve to spend the rest of their lives.

March 4, 2014 at 10:03 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

SewerRat: The topic be hanged. The leftist always say "our universities are about diversity of ideas and all are welcome". bullsqueezings

March 4, 2014 at 10:07 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

conservative, please be aware that"Godless Atheists" is a redundancy.

One could say that "blind faith" is also a redundancy.

March 4, 2014 at 10:10 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

hotdoggity: please be aware that you are redundant.

March 4, 2014 at 10:11 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Even the left leaning WaPo finally gets it. President Obama’s foreign policy is based on fantasy

March 4, 2014 at 10:15 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

PlainTruth said...

hotdoggity: please be aware that you are redundant.

Wow PT, your blistering wit has left me breathless.

March 4, 2014 at 10:20 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Going to breakfast now. I do not mean to 'bump and run'. I will return and respond. kwo

Mr. Orr on March 2, 2014 at 8:27 p.m I responded to your request for a biblical reference which I provided. I eagerly await your response.

March 4, 2014 at 10:45 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

conservative said

'I believe this is the main reason why Atheists keep holding on to the impossibility of evolution whereby nobody times nothing became everything.'

Your attempt to use the principal of causality falls flat because you exempt your god from this principal.

In other words, who created God? Of course your response will be the typical simplistic answer of "He was always here". So much for your attempt to use cause and effect for an explanation, huh?

March 4, 2014 at 10:57 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

PlainTruth,

I see you’ve taken a break from walking up and down the sidewalk in your sandwich board - on the corner by the Wal Mart ranting about Benghazi, Obama’s foreign policy or something.

Staying on topic eludes you like no other. Are you & Sean Hannity incestuous twins?

March 4, 2014 at 11 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I noticed that both Ken Orr and conservative have bravely run away. That is the first wise move I have seen from either one. They would be fools to try to discuss this topic from a position of almost complete ignorance.

March 4, 2014 at 11:01 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

SewerRat: Who died and made you Forum Police?

March 4, 2014 at 11:08 a.m.
conservative said...

The Bible tells us that God created EVERYTHING (Colossians 1:16), so man through science can only discover, find out, what God has created.

I laugh every time I think about an evolutionist by the name of Herbert Spencer who in the 1880's discovered that all reality exists in five categories - time, space, matter, motion and force.

Now Moses, who God inspired to write the first five books in our Bible over 3,000 years ago wrote the words "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Did Moses or any other human know about time, space, matter, motion and force in his day. Of course not. But God did.

"In the beginning" - time

"God" - force

"created" - motion, action

"the heavens" - space

"and the earth - matter

Moses wrote what God inspired him to write - All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work 2 Timothy 3:16 NAS

And the irony! God using a heathen evolutionist to discover the truth of His word from the beginning of His revelation to all mankind in the Bible.

Praise God!

March 4, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Chuck Hagel thinks "Ukraine is a small stringed instrument shaped like a guitar". -anonymous

March 4, 2014 at 11:27 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

lkeithlu said...

Believe what you like, joe. Doesn't make it real.

I have yet, in all my years, to meet a person arguing against evolution that knew the first thing about evolution.

Similar experience here, lkeithlu, I have yet, in all my years, to meet a person arguing against creationism that knew the first thing about evolution. Such as where the first particle came from. And how did it have all the necessary elements to evolve into a universe, including life.

March 4, 2014 at 11:38 a.m.
librul said...

Clay, you've really screwed up this time ... everybody knows, it was the touch of a noodly appendage from the Flying Spaghetti Monster that created Adam. Give solemn thanks and pass the Parmigiano-Reggiano.

March 4, 2014 at 11:39 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

And you, joe, just proved my point.

Perhaps you would like to offer up a definition of evolution?

March 4, 2014 at 11:41 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

that's right, librul. ridicule and incite. nice.

March 4, 2014 at 11:43 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

conservative said...

"The Bible tells us that God created EVERYTHING"

Great, many other religions state that their gods "created everything". Your statement proves nothing other than MEN have attempted to explain creation through superstitious beliefs.

Yours is just one in a long line of gods born of ignorance.

Your statement proves nothing other than your belief in something written by bronze age scribes.

March 4, 2014 at 11:44 a.m.

It will be interesting (and perhaps terrifying) to watch the Intern’s (covert) “Flexibility Policy” toward Putin evolve in coming days and weeks.

I guess America’s experiment with on-the-job training for Mr. Obama counts as a form of evolution. But will his resulting, unrealized as of yet, “fitness” advance or inhibit our survival? The jury is out.

And finally, Mr. Obama has proven that very few of his words can be taken literally.

(A humble attempt to connect today’s Bennett distraction to an actual pressing issue, one which would require a semblance of cogent thought to develop into a cartoon.)

March 4, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.
conservative said...

Within the last couple of weeks or so one of the networks, I believe NBC, ran a short IQ test.

They tested the IQ of their audience with a story about a supposed discovery of footprints on a beach somewhere that were made by a family over 1,000,000 years ago! Wait, it gets better. People, I suppose Godless evolutionists were going to make a mold of these footprints but the waves washed them away!

The waves washed them away!

The waves washed them away!

The waves washed them away!

The footprints had been there and washed over for supposedly a million years but when the hapless evolutionists wanted to preserve them, they were washed away!

If you are scratching your head, you are probably an Atheist/evolutionist.

March 4, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

No, lkeithlu, you just proved my point: Evading the question. Of course when backed into a corner you will admit, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

March 4, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

lilbrul, do you think a bicycle could evolve into a Harley by itself?

March 4, 2014 at 11:57 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

WWWTW: toon boy's toon has 2 goals: 1. incite, 2. deflect attention from the failed presidency.

March 4, 2014 at 11:58 a.m.
jesse said...

Joe read up on the big bang and ya will find out where the first Particle came from!

March 4, 2014 at 11:59 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Conservative, jeez quit rambling and provide a link. Your post makes no sense.

Oh, and in regards to..

The waves washed them away!

The waves washed them away!

The waves washed them away!

It seems you still do not understand the term redundant. Here, let me help you.

Redundant: characterized by verbosity or unnecessary repetition in expressing ideas.

March 4, 2014 at noon
joepulitzer said...

jesse, does it tell where the big bang came from?

March 4, 2014 at 12:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

hotdawggity: Redundant, like your repeated references to redundancy? Like that?

March 4, 2014 at 12:13 p.m.
jesse said...

Several theory's about that but still speculation! A lot of this will become more clear now that the L H C is up and running!

In an atomic explosion you are converting mass into energy, the big bang was just the opposite of this, converting pure energy into mass! This is one of the reasons confirming the Higg's field was so important!We ain't there yet but we learn more everyday! Hopefully before i die they will they unify Partical phys. and quantum mech. and that will just about get us to understanding what it's all about!!

March 4, 2014 at 12:14 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Not debating evolution. But other than to incite, what is the point of this toon?" - PT

"Good point, PT...This hasn't been an issue at the forefront of the news lately." - lkeithlu

The point of political cartoons is to "incite" people to think. Nothing wrong with that. As for issues at the forefront of news, this was indeed in the news just yesterday...or perhaps it was the day before. The president of Lee University is proclaiming that the official stance of the university is a belief in the Biblical creationist view of the world, that evolution and the Biblical view are incompatible, and he is requiring that all faculty members sign a document agreeing with that stance. Many teachers have expressed concern that their jobs will be in jeopardy if they do not sign it.

March 4, 2014 at 12:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo, the old "to make people think" ditty is hackneyed and farcical. The intent was, as I said, to incite, and maybe sell a few rags. And BTW, why do you care what Lee University thinks? Any teachers fired over this at Lee could own the place. Nice try, but weak.

March 4, 2014 at 12:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

And Roo, why are you on here 16 minutes a day? Are you on break? Do you also feed at the public trough, Roo? I'm betting you're the best of the public servants. No?

March 4, 2014 at 12:26 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

joe, the big bang is not part of evolution.

Thank you once again for confirming that you have no clue what evolution is.

March 4, 2014 at 12:27 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

from Robert Ingersoll:

"Nations, like individuals, have their periods of youth, of manhood and decay. Religions are the same. The same inexorable destiny awaits them all. The gods created by the nations must perish with their creators. They were created by men, and like men, they must pass away."

"There is an irrepressible conflict between religion and science, and they cannot peaceably occupy the same brain nor the same world."

"Reason, Observation, and Experience - the Holy Trinity of Science - have taught us that happiness is the only good; that the time to be happy is now, and the way to be happy is to make others so. This is enough for us. In this belief we are content to die. If by any possibility the existence in a power superior to, and independent of, nature shall be demonstrated, there will then be time enough to kneel. Until then, let us stand erect."

March 4, 2014 at 12:27 p.m.
jesse said...

I disagree LU. the universe evolved and then mankind evolved ,all part of the same process!!

March 4, 2014 at 12:34 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Perhaps, joepulitzer, you need to take the same advice as Ken and connie: don't try to discuss something you know absolutely nothing about, unless, of course you don't mind looking foolish.

March 4, 2014 at 12:34 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Great! The big bang proves there is a GOD.

March 4, 2014 at 12:34 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

No, jesse, the formation of the universe (cosmology), the first self-replicating molecules and the earliest cells (abiogenesis) are different areas of science than evolution and involve different principles.

March 4, 2014 at 12:36 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You are welcome to believe that, joe, and a lot of theist scientists do also. But that is not evolution.

March 4, 2014 at 12:37 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

PlainTruth said...

hotdawggity: Redundant, like your repeated references to redundancy? Like that?

LOL, like I said, you have no concept of the term redundant.

On a different note, I have been exploring the religion of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Seems to follow some of the basic tenents of Christianity as espoused by one of its followers.

“Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can’t see them.” -Steve Eley

March 4, 2014 at 12:41 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

PT, I couldn't care less what Lee University or its president thinks. I only mentioned it because lkeithlu made the remark that this cartoon was not relevant to issues at the forefront of the news, when in actuality it is completely timely and relevant, based on our local news of what has been going on at Lee. Are you really so dense that you cannot understand why I made that comment? You really have to have it explained to you before you get it? It's called critical thinking, PT - where you put two and two together and come up with four. It's really not that difficult. You should try it sometime.

March 4, 2014 at 12:51 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

lkeithlu said... "involve different principles."

Translated: are nothing more than the opinions of people with Go.D. written after their names.

March 4, 2014 at 12:52 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Evolution without God is atheism.

March 4, 2014 at 12:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

hotdawggity: don't you have some voters to register?

March 4, 2014 at 12:54 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Rickaroo, I was unaware that Lee was in the news on this issue. I will have to check it out. In light of that Clay's choice of topic makes sense.

Joepulitzer, please define evolution and give evidence that refutes it.

March 4, 2014 at 12:55 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

PlainTruth, he doesn't speak Spanish.

March 4, 2014 at 12:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

PS: "I don't believe it can happen" is not evidence. Evidence that refutes a strawman is not evidence ("why are there still monkeys or why don't we see a dog give birth to a cat").

March 4, 2014 at 12:57 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Merriam Webster:

evo·lu·tion noun ˌe-və-ˈlü-shən, ˌē-və-\

biology : a theory that the differences between modern plants and animals are because of changes that happened by a natural process over a very long time

KEY WORD: "THEORY."

March 4, 2014 at 12:58 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Define scientific theory. After all, gravity is a theory too.

March 4, 2014 at 1:01 p.m.
conservative said...

Which famous Atheist/evolutionist said this:

"I am determined to escape from design and a personal God at all costs."

March 4, 2014 at 1:02 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

And your point is, conservative?

C'mon, joepulitzer, impress us with your knowledge. What is a scientific theory? What evidence refutes evolution?

March 4, 2014 at 1:03 p.m.
conservative said...

BTW, this famous Atheist/evolutionist did escape God's presence

and fellowship forever when he died and went to his place.

March 4, 2014 at 1:05 p.m.
jesse said...

There is a lot more evolution going on besides the origins of mankind!everything is evolving, for instance the christian faith has evolved from what it was in 100 ad to what it is today and in 500 years will have evolved into non existence!I was merely using the big bang and what it started out as and what it ha s become to simplify the idea of what evolution is!

March 4, 2014 at 1:06 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'll give you a hint, Joe: a theory in science is not a "hunch" or a "guess". It is the highest level of supported explanation. Theory of gravity, atomic theory, etc. Evolution is one of the best supported theories in science. But like any theory, one piece of evidence can falsify it. So I am asking you: what evidence refutes evolution?

March 4, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

C'mon, joepulitzer, impress us with your knowledge. ... What evidence refutes evolution?

Easy, lkeithlu: YOU!

March 4, 2014 at 1:12 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Translation: you got nothing.

March 4, 2014 at 1:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

come on jesse. you have a 500 year crystal ball? how about some lotto numbers. LMAO

March 4, 2014 at 1:13 p.m.
jesse said...

What cracks me up is the fact that these TRUE BELIEVERS will trash scientific theory and gobble up voodoo theory whole hog!!

March 4, 2014 at 1:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Now you have a choice, joepulitzer:

a) admit you got into this too deep for your knowledge

b) continue to expose your lack of understanding of the science

c) bravely run away

March 4, 2014 at 1:17 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The biggest argument between creation and evolution would have to be Michelle Obama.

March 4, 2014 at 1:17 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Rickaroo, it was Bryan College. I think Lee is a bit more sophisticated than to demand that kind of statement of faith.

March 4, 2014 at 1:19 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

lkeithlu said...

Translation: you got nothing.

THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID.

March 4, 2014 at 1:20 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So you chose b)

So what is evolution, and what evidence refutes it?

I assume you have studied this carefully. Since it is "only a theory", like gravity is "only a theory", there must be lots of evidence you have found that refutes it. Of course, it helps to know what a theory is.

March 4, 2014 at 1:20 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

There's good arguments for either side of the issue. However, if ike can provide scientific evidence of where the material which constitutes the universe came from, there may be a low-fat, organic cookie in it for him.

March 4, 2014 at 1:22 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T. that's just MY THEORY!!

March 4, 2014 at 1:22 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

jesse, what scientific theory are you talking about?

March 4, 2014 at 1:22 p.m.
jesse said...

that in 500 years religion will be history!!

March 4, 2014 at 1:24 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

lkeithlu, you must be a college professor with one of them Go.D. degrees.

March 4, 2014 at 1:25 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

There's good arguments for either side of the issue.

If the issue is Creation vs Evolution, you are incorrect. There is no evidence that supports creation.

However, if ike can provide scientific evidence of where the material which constitutes the universe came from, there may be a low-fat, organic cookie in it for him.

This is not part of evolution. BTW, I am not a "him".

March 4, 2014 at 1:25 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

jesse said...

that in 500 years religion will be history!!

HEAVY STUFF COMING FROM A GUY WHO WORKS AT GOONY GOLF.

March 4, 2014 at 1:26 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nope. I am not a college professor. Are you going to provide that evidence or not?

March 4, 2014 at 1:26 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jesse, I dont care to bash either side. It's like arguing about Ford vs Chevy. No opinions will be changed. Just gives non-believers an opportunity to bellow their faux intellectualism.

March 4, 2014 at 1:26 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

This is not about believing in God, PT. Most scientists are also believers. And it is not about Ford vs Chevy, it's about cars vs flying carpets.

March 4, 2014 at 1:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lu, As a believer, I just can't get too riled up about it.

March 4, 2014 at 1:33 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

OK,ike, I never stated that I did not believe in evolution. My father cross-pollinated flowers for years to see them evolve. Short men marry tall women and have tall children, etc. The question is creationism or atheism? Which came first?

March 4, 2014 at 1:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"The geological record is extremely imperfect and this fact will to a large extent explain why we do not find intermediate varieties, connecting together all the extinct and existing forms of life by the finest graduated steps. He who rejects these views on the nature of the geological record, will rightly reject my whole theory."--Charles Darwin.

Even Darwin knew the "factual" evidence was imperfect and made no attempts to claim evolution as a "carved-in-stone" fact.

March 4, 2014 at 1:35 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The question is creationism or atheism?

This is not about atheism. It's about science and evidence vs mythology.

Even Darwin knew the "factual" evidence was imperfect and made no attempts to claim evolution as a "carved-in-stone" fact

And of course you don't know the difference between theory and fact in science, and that we have learned nothing in 160 years, right?

March 4, 2014 at 1:40 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Fill us in.

March 4, 2014 at 1:46 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oh? You that interested? Or are you just being sarcastic?

Because I can do a decent job, but I won't waste my time here if you aren't serious.

March 4, 2014 at 1:49 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

lkeithlu, are you an atheist?

March 4, 2014 at 1:57 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

What do my religious beliefs have to do with this, exactly?

March 4, 2014 at 1:58 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

lkeithlu said This is not about atheism. It's about science and evidence vs mythology. ... What do my religious beliefs have to do with this, exactly? EVERYTHING, IKE, A LEMON TREE DOES NOT PRODUCE APPLES.

March 4, 2014 at 2:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

That is no explanation, joe. What do my religious beliefs have to do with science?

March 4, 2014 at 2:04 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You do realize that belief in a literal Genesis reading is a minority one among Christians, right? Shared only by fundamentalist Muslims.

March 4, 2014 at 2:05 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

To deny us any factual or theoretical evidence of the origins of the universe is to denounce any further statements from you on your theory of evolution. Science is much like reverse engineering in that you take a known and study it until becomes fully understood.

However, when it comes time to explain the origins of the universe, your "science" turns into a mish-mash of what-if's and a host of un-provable theories. I highly doubt that if god did, in fact, create the universe, he would have used mathematical theorems and calculations. In turn, driving scientists crazy.

So by the fact that science cannot explain the origins of the universe, they cannot, with factual OR theoretical evidence deny believers their belief of the role of god in the creation of man.

March 4, 2014 at 2:10 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

To deny us any factual or theoretical evidence of the origins of the universe is to denounce any further statements from you on your theory of evolution. Science is much like reverse engineering in that you take a known and study it until becomes fully understood.

If you want to know more about the origin of the universe, you need to research it. This is not my area. Nor is it the subject of the cartoon.

theoretical evidence deny believers their belief of the role of god in the creation of man

Anyone can believe what they like. Most theistic scientists I know attribute the evolution of humans over the past tens of millions of years to be God's handiwork. That it doesn't fit with the Genesis account does not bother them a bit, because they understand their Bible enough to know where the OT came from.

March 4, 2014 at 2:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So I take it that you are not interested in an explanation of evolution. No problem. I won't waste my time. But I am always willing if anyone asks.

Oh, and TOE, you can always be honest and admit you don't know anything about evolution, either.

March 4, 2014 at 2:15 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I don't believe either side of this issue can plant a flag. But one side doesn't have the right(or the evidence) to claim the other is false.

March 4, 2014 at 2:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Actually, one side DOES have the evidence to claim that the other is false.

And that is not an empty claim.

March 4, 2014 at 2:17 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Don't know anything about evolution? That's pretty darn funny. It's kind of like arguing over who has the best invisible friend. If you claim you're an expert in evolution, Then you should be writing in scientific journals instead of the TFP comment page.

All I'm saying is your argument is in no way any better than anyone else who feels differently. You can blather on about all the science you want, but if you can't explain the fundamentals,(which you can't) then your own horse isn't that high.

March 4, 2014 at 2:26 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Well i have just taken the time to read the comments here and I am really wanting to take lkeithlu up on her offer to enlighten us/me as to the facts of evolution. I never consider it a waste of time to learn even if I don't agree with it. But I am willing to read regardless. I am sure there will be parts I can agree with. And it will make me delve deeper in to the issue. So lkeithlu, if you don't mind giving me a brief overview that would be great.

March 4, 2014 at 2:27 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I can explain the fundamentals of evolution easily. You wanted cosmology. That I cannot. If this was a cartoon on cosmology and the big bang, I would have nothing to offer. Nice dodge, though.

March 4, 2014 at 2:27 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nurse, I'd be happy to. I will assume that you understand and accept the axiom of science, and understand what a scientific theory and a scientific paradigm is, correct?

March 4, 2014 at 2:29 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I will try to keep this as brief as I can:

The theory of evolution, which in detail fills volumes, can be summarized by the following: Life on earth evolved over hundreds of millions of years from a common ancestor, through the mechanism known as random mutation and natural selection. It used to be thought that random mutation was the only way for variation in populations, but sexual selection, gene transfer and stress-induced gene switch changes all play a part. So far so good?

March 4, 2014 at 2:35 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Of course, to account for the vast diversity of life on the planet, this cannot happen in a few thousand years. The planet would have to be very, very old. Geology, independent of evolution, has shown that the evidence supports an age of 4.6 billion years.

March 4, 2014 at 2:37 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

If evolution happened, the evidence should support it. And it does, in independent lines from different disciplines in science. The fossil record shows transition from one form to another (in spite of the fossil record be very incomplete) The fossils can be dated using several independent means. The fossil record is also consistent with the movement of continents around the globe, the building and erosion of mountains and the rise and fall of shallow seas (transgression/regression cycles).

March 4, 2014 at 2:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The evidence is consistent with DNA, showing genetic similarity between groups of animals that is greater and greater for those that share a more recent ancestor. We share 40% of our genes with bananas, but a higher percentage with mammals, with the highest being the great apes. This was predicted using evolution. It is also consistent with comparative anatomy.

March 4, 2014 at 2:43 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

All fossils and all organisms are "transitional", in that evolution continues today. In embryo development, we can see the actions of genes as they begin a tail in humans, and then the gene switches off and another switches on to absorb the tail. These relic genes are still in our genome. A huge part of biology is investigating how these genes work, and how HOX genes form body plans.

March 4, 2014 at 2:45 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I will finish with this: as in any scientific theory, anything that doesn't fit in evolution can falsify it. Finding a rabbit fossil inside the fossil of the T-rex that ate it would falsify the whole theory. It is easy to predict what we would find, evidence wise, if the story of Genesis happened as written. But we do not. No global flood, no Noah's ark, no Garden of Eden, No special creation.

March 4, 2014 at 2:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I knew when I saw this toon that Lu would be on fire!! You love this topic, eh Lu? lol

March 4, 2014 at 3:03 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

thanks for all that lk. I will as I said delve in deeper. At first appearance these things look like unsubstantiated claims with some facts thrown in for good measure. But I can not make that statement as fact. I am just saying at first glance that is what I see with the knowledge that I had previously.

Thanks for the info.

March 4, 2014 at 3:07 p.m.
limric said...

How sad that in the 21st century there are so many that rebuke science, empirical evidence and its quest for answers in favor of writings of Bronze Age men that have answers no one may question.

Mmm say Ikeithlu,

The never ending claim evolution has been proven false (it’s only a theory isn’t it) is as Hotdiggity said - redundant . Let’s try to divide evolution into two parts; how about Macro and Micro? Micro evolution is a fact, whereas Macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact steps of the process. Evolution did, is churning away now, and IS happening. This is fact and therefor Micro. In Macro, we simply can’t trace the exact evolutionary steps of the 3 trillion plus species of ‘things’ on earth, or, 1/10,000th of 1% of the cosmos. Considering there is no way to prove we have even located 50% (at best) of the species on earth, this may always remain Macro theory. However, it has been proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt that humans have evolved (Micro). The species Homo lineage has been verifiably traced back conclusively for 3 or so million years.

Granted, evolution was a risky theory for Darwin and his adherents, but even it evolved into a fact a long time ago; to the extent that even the Catholic Church recognizes evolution. Religions love to twist evolutionary theory excessively. A favorite is they like to say evolution preaches that Humans evolved from monkeys. Evolution does not state- nor did it ever (as so many theists would claim) that humans evolved from monkeys. Science states that monkeys and humans evolved from a shared ancestor and are hence relatives only, (all primates are) but we are in no way direct descendants of them.

Some God did not point ahead and say ‘Make it so’. Keeping that in mind, fundamentalists could do well by pressing the ‘F1’ key repeatedly. It is after all – the help key.

March 4, 2014 at 3:07 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yep. I luvs it. But more importantly I want people to understand two things: it is real and you don't have to give up belief in God to accept it. Charlatans like Ray Comfort and Ken Ham will tell you that you must, but they are liars. Evolution isn't a "hunch" or a "belief", it is well established science with a huge amount of evidence supporting it, independent lines from dozens of science disciplines.

March 4, 2014 at 3:09 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

lkeithlu, your explanation, even in its condensed form, is rather confusing and may require me to do some critical thinking and research. Would it not just be easier for me to follow a belief put forward by bronze age sheep herders and avoid all that research stuff?

Perhaps I should go check out that Creation Museum in Kentucky. I hear they combine science and religion and prove that dinosaurs and humans coexisted.

So confusing since I just recently embraced the religion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

March 4, 2014 at 3:10 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nurse, if you need resources just ask. There are very good ones out there, written by people who also believe in God.

lkeithlu, your explanation, even in its condensed form, is rather confusing and may require me to do some critical thinking and research. Would it not just be easier for me to follow a belief put forward by bronze age sheep herders and avoid all that research stuff?

;)

March 4, 2014 at 3:10 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

dawggity: You would do well to learn some manners from Ikeithlu.

March 4, 2014 at 3:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Or, you cold have just posted a website such as this:

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evolution.html

But that would have been too easy.

March 4, 2014 at 3:15 p.m.
jesse said...

The THEORY of evolution has evolved to the point that it no longer a THEORY but a proven FACT!!

March 4, 2014 at 3:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

It's clear you haven't read that one, TOES.

To be honest, if I can't explain it clearly off the top of my head, then I don't understand it well enough myself.

March 4, 2014 at 3:16 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Hotdiggity, Your 3rd grade antics are so..... 3rd grade-ish.

March 4, 2014 at 3:18 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Conservative, you probably shouldn't even try. You make Ken Orr look like Einstein."

Post of the year!!!

March 4, 2014 at 3:19 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The THEORY of evolution has evolved to the point that it no longer a THEORY but a proven FACT!!

jesse, it might be correct to say evolution is a fact (it happened) just like gravity is a fact(things attract based on mass). But the theory explains how and goes into mechanisms and details. That is why Gravity is a theory. We actually understand gravity less than evolution. Gravity also has a law, (Law of Gravitation). A theory does not become either a law or a fact. Nor is a theory "proven". It can only be falsified.

March 4, 2014 at 3:20 p.m.
jesse said...

Lu i was thinking while reading your tutorial that for someone who wants to come to a rational conclusion all the data you could ever want is available at the click of a mouse,all it takes is a desire to know and understand!

March 4, 2014 at 3:20 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Indeed, jesse. The data (evidence) is immense. But learning about it is loads of fun. It is incredibly interesting and represents the hard work of millions of biologists, geologists, paleontologists, embrylogists, anatomists, and the people who work to understand and conserve wildlife and habitats.

March 4, 2014 at 3:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Shame all left-leaners aren't as respectful as Lu. They would get a heap more consideration.

March 4, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

That's very kind, PT. We can all improve how we interact with each other, no?

March 4, 2014 at 3:25 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Shame all left-leaners aren't as respectful as Lu."

Surely you are not trying to imply that you are always respectful, PT? Even the above quoted seems a bit condescending.

March 4, 2014 at 4:07 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"The Godless are certain to be angry today.

However, someone needs to tell them the truth about evolution.

It might as well be me."

I apologize for being a bit behind on this cartoon, but this has to be the funniest sh!t I have ever read.

March 4, 2014 at 4:10 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yeah, that one almost cost me my laptop. Thankfully I had finished my coffee.

March 4, 2014 at 4:24 p.m.
kkemerait said...

Theory and fact are two very different things in biology, and in the sciences in general. Theories do not become facts, and facts are not higher on the certainty ladder than theories. If you must comment on them, at least learn what the words mean.

March 4, 2014 at 4:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Condescending, Gassy? Hardly. I could use some slight improvement with respect to respect. You as well, my mathy friend.

March 4, 2014 at 4:46 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I should have said that PT and I have history, and we are FB friends too. That was a subtle joke on me.

March 4, 2014 at 4:50 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Yeah, but when you try to put "theory" next to "fact", it makes the reader think, "Well, you have two distinct words so theory must not be fact, therefore I shouldn't treat a theory as fact,...".

And when one immediately brings up the Big Bang when the subject of evolution is mentioned, it's the first signal that the person has no clue what they are talking about.

March 4, 2014 at 4:58 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Let this be a sign that some posters here will be relentless in insisting they are right when they have no clue what they are talking about, and therefore probably will do so on other topics. When their errors are pointed out, run away or refuse to admit their mistakes. If they do that on a topic I know well, I trust them less on other topics.

March 4, 2014 at 5:03 p.m.
conservative said...

"I am determined to escape from design and a personal God at all costs." Charles Darwin.

I don't know who said "misery loves company" but it sure fits Charles Darwin. He was bent on going to hell, he got there and he was bent on deceiving others to join him.

He most certainly attained his goal.

March 4, 2014 at 5:16 p.m.
una61 said...

A visit to Troll Town. All plant and animal species that exist today are the result of 3.5 billion years of natural selection and they all share a common structure, i.e., cells with DNA. Paleontologists tell us that modern humans (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) arose about 200,000 years ago. Civilization with written history has only been around for about 15,000 years. This is reality. Sadly, some adults aren't able to overcome their childhood indoctrination with the myths of Genesis. Worse, churches continue to indoctrinate impressionable children with these myths. The Genesis myths are stories written by men based on their imagination and have no factual or historical basis. When will church leaders display the intellectual courage to publicly admit this and stop indoctrinating children with them? Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace did not invent Evolution any more than Newton and Einstein invented Gravity. "Creationists" can't discredit the Evolution message so they try to discredit the messenger.

March 4, 2014 at 5:32 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

PT said :" PlainTruth said...

dawggity: "You would do well to learn some manners from Ikeithlu."

Oh, you mean like calling me dawggity? Your hypocrisy seems to know no bounds and many of your posts show no regard for manners. Suddenly you are the Emily Post of the board? Please, spare me.

Nurseforjustice - My "third grade antics" as you call it was not directed at you. As a matter of fact I was pleasantly surprised that someone would actually ask for information that was outside their theistic views. I encourage anyone to expand their thinking to encompass new possibilities. You will have to excuse me if I use jest directed at people who refuse to consider logic, reasoning, and facts.

Since you have not posted here for awhile you will just have to get use to this being a rough and tumble forum sometimes. Passions are enflamed and insults are hurled. You have to be thick skinned in this forum. I have no problem with you reappearing and directing an insult at me. I'll be glad to play that game if you wish. Just remember who initialized it. Also, would you consider directing an unprovoked insult at someone "third grade antics"?

That being said, I am always open to civilized debate and commend your openness to new ideas.

March 4, 2014 at 5:43 p.m.
jesse said...

Gassious I assume you are addressing me w/the "bringing up the big bang"comment! That arose when Joe asked the question "Where did the first particle come from?"!

March 4, 2014 at 5:43 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

I wasn't addressing you Jesse. It was aimed at Joe, ConMan, KenOrr, Fister, etc. Sorry if it came across that way.

March 4, 2014 at 5:49 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Diggity, please forgive me for hurling that dispicable invective ( dawggity) at you. Can you find it in your heart to forgive me?

March 4, 2014 at 6:08 p.m.
conservative said...

There is the Gospel, the good news, that Jesus saves the sinner who believes, those who put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ, those who make Jesus the Lord of their life.

AND THEN THERE IS THE DEVIL'S GOSPEL, THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION.

March 4, 2014 at 6:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So, connie: what is evolution?

March 4, 2014 at 6:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I ask this because many friends of mine, fine Christian friends, are scientists who know the evidence and accept evolution. I take their word and views over yours, because you know absolutely nothing about science, especially evolution.

March 4, 2014 at 6:37 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

^He doesn't know. The preacher man told him at an early age it was bad and he hasn't changed his opinion since. Science is bad for kooks like him until they need a life-saving operation.

March 4, 2014 at 6:38 p.m.
conservative said...

You cannot separate God or the Bible from sin, morals and judgment.

The devil's gospel, the theory of evolution seeks to do just that.

The Atheists/evolutionist who push the nonsense seek to get rid of God in creation to get rid of God in Genesis and thus to get rid of God in their lives.

The Atheist/evolutionist wants to get rid of God so he can get rid of his accountability to God for his sin and immorality.

Of course it is a futile effort, because God created EVERTHING, including mankind and it has not and will not ever be proven otherwise.

March 4, 2014 at 7:09 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You know, connie, a lie for Jesus is still a lie. And lying by omission is still a lie. Best for you to fade away when you don't have enough knowledge to comment intelligently on a topic.

March 4, 2014 at 7:10 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

ConMan, an "Atheist", by definition, has no "accountability to God for his sin and immorality". Why do they need evolution "to get rid of God in creation"? Your reasoning is baffling.

March 4, 2014 at 7:33 p.m.
volsam said...

I agree that evolution has been proven through science. What hasn't been proven is the big bang theory or that one species evolves into another. If monkeys evolved into humans, then why are there still monkeys? I say you can believe in both. The first(old) testament of the bible is more of a history of civilized culture. The need to understand why we are here has dogged humans for thousands of years. Both sides of this debate have good points and counter points but at the end of the day NOBODY knows what happened billions of years ago so it's ALL theory. I lean towards a creator because "It just happened" doesn't make much sense. Something or someone had to create the energy to make the bang possible. On the other hand who created God? It's like watching a dog chase his tail around and around and around. It's enough to make one dizzy.

March 4, 2014 at 7:36 p.m.
jesse said...

Volsam you hit on something that i have thought about a lot!This is all impossible at a fundamental level which opens the door that since we exist even tho impossible then ANYTHING is possible!Take for instance "Reality" what if we are hard wired to perceive reality a certain way ? What if the REAL reality only exists at the quantum level ? There is a theory running around that the universe is a hologram that has some serious math to back it up.How wild would something like that be?

March 4, 2014 at 7:49 p.m.
librul said...

And, GaussianInteger (6:38), when they survive that life-saving operation after being under anesthesia to spare them pain, kept alive by a heart-lung machine and surrounded by a team of human surgeons and nurses with combined decades of modern medical science training, including useless things like biology and embryology which Paul Broun of the House Science Committee (gag) from down in Georgia, considers "lies straight from the pit of hell", do you know to what they exclaim to explain their good fortune? Starts with a "g", ends with a "d" and has a donut-hole in the middle.

March 4, 2014 at 7:51 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"monkeys evolving into humans" is a bogus argument Creationists love to constantly use to debunk evolution. Monkeys and humans sharing a common ancestor and "monkeys evolving into humans" do not mean the same thing. And if you want to go the "8 year old mentality" route, then I say monkeys eat bananas and humans eat bananas; so there's your proof.

March 4, 2014 at 7:55 p.m.
conservative said...

The Bible, God's word, tells us - The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork Psalm 19:1 KJV

The heathen of old did not have that verse or the Bible, but he could look up see the universe and logically conclude that somebody made it. We look at buildings, cars, boats, furniture etc. and logically conclude someone made them as well.

The Atheist/evolutionist wants to believe that the universe just happened. It was just chance! No creator, no God no one to answer to.

Nobody times nothing became everything!

Evolution, the devil's gospel.

March 4, 2014 at 7:56 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I agree that evolution has been proven through science.

No theory is "proven"

What hasn't been proven is the big bang theory

Again, no theory is "proven"

or that one species evolves into another.

This has been documented more than 30 times, and has been seen in the wild. Research "Ring Species"

If monkeys evolved into humans, then why are there still monkeys?

Monkeys did not "evolve into humans". Monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor. You might ask "if Americans were once British subjects, why are there still Brits?"

I say you can believe in both. The first(old) testament of the bible is more of a history of civilized culture. The need to understand why we are here has dogged humans for thousands of years.

Of course you can "believe" in both. But science is not a "belief system". It lies on evidence only.

Both sides of this debate have good points and counter points but at the end of the day NOBODY knows what happened billions of years ago so it's ALL theory.

Learn what theory is please.

I lean towards a creator because "It just happened" doesn't make much sense. Something or someone had to create the energy to make the bang possible.

Argument from incredulity.

On the other hand who created God? It's like watching a dog chase his tail around and around and around. It's enough to make one dizzy.

Science has no opinion about God.

March 4, 2014 at 7:57 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Volsam, you have a lot to learn about science in general and evolution specifically if you hope to be able to participate in a conversation about it.

Connie, your mouth is running. You might see to that.

March 4, 2014 at 7:59 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "And Roo, why are you on here 16 minutes a day?"

I'm sure you meant to type hours, didn't you?

"Are you on break? Do you also feed at the public trough, Roo? I'm betting you're the best of the public servants. No?

What's your excuse? Why are YOU in this forum for 16+- hours a day?

Are you on break? Do YOU feed at the public trough? I know you're not a servant of any kind, for you do not have time for it. You're in here from daylight to midnight and beyond, EVERY SINGLE DAY!!

March 4, 2014 at 7:59 p.m.
jesse said...

I have a tendency to use the word theory when "speculation" would be more correct!!lol

March 4, 2014 at 8:01 p.m.
jesse said...

Lu the higgs bosun was a theory until they produced one w/the L H C , i would think that that was a theory that has been proven!!

March 4, 2014 at 8:07 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nope. No theory is "proven", but the Higgs was a good validation of the unified theory, to be sure.

March 4, 2014 at 8:09 p.m.
alprova said...

joepulitzer wrote: "Evolution without God is atheism."

Wait a minute. I happen to believe in God and his Son, however, logic also tells me that evolution is based on science, involving that which we can see, touch, taste, smell, and hear.

God does not reveal himself to anyone...ever. We don't see him, smell him, we cannot touch him, we do not hear his words, and I'm quite sure no one has tasted him.

Evolution has existed without God very well.

Now I am ont one who believes that all on Earth just magically appeared, and I do believe that God created it, but I easily understand why there is any amount of disbelief that God exists.

After all, what evidence can ANYONE point to that proves there is a God?

Faith is not evidence of a thing.

March 4, 2014 at 8:10 p.m.
volsam said...

Thank you Dr. ikeithlu. Wasn't really seeking a biology lesson on my comments. You are very well versed on this subject and most are not, but in the end we should all be able to agree that since we will probably never know the truth we shouldn't denigrate each other over the whole thing. That's what Clay Bennett draws his silly cartoons isn't it. Some of the comments on both sides are appalling. Also, if humans didn't evolve from apes then why did the science teachers in high school waste our time making us study those evolution charts that showed us coming out of the soup of life and evolve in gradual steps until we reached human.

March 4, 2014 at 8:16 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "that in 500 years religion will be history!!"

But wait!! Fundamentalists have been saying for at least 500 years that Jesus is going to come back to Earth to gather his flock any day now.

The signs are all there.

Revelations tells us that the time is near...and has been for at least 500 years.

March 4, 2014 at 8:16 p.m.
jesse said...

Uh Lu, there ain't no unified theory yet, gravity keeps gittin in the way! The higgs did validate the Standard model tho!!

March 4, 2014 at 8:19 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

volsam, science is not a search for "truth".

And no, humans did not "evolve from apes". These distinctions DO matter.

March 4, 2014 at 8:20 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

If memory serves, there are three: the theory where two of the fundamental forces combine (confirmed in the late 80s), the one where three combine (that the Higgs confirmed) and the last, which needs a better (quantum) theory of gravity to complete. Am I right?

March 4, 2014 at 8:23 p.m.
volsam said...

So ike what you are saying is science is evolving.

March 4, 2014 at 8:23 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

No, science is not evolving. But theories do, as more evidence is collected. And how terms are defined and used are critical in science, because of the need for replication.

March 4, 2014 at 8:25 p.m.
jesse said...

Right. they got it goin till they factor in gravity then the math don't work!

March 4, 2014 at 8:27 p.m.
volsam said...

ike, understood, maybe we can chat about other topics in the future that I am more versed in.lol

March 4, 2014 at 8:34 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yep. It is pretty cool, though!

volsam, it is perfectly okay to not know a lot about science. What is not okay is to claim that the science is incorrect when you don't know lot about science. And when you attempt to do so, anyone who does know about the science can see your misconceptions immediately. I have been researching this issue for professional reasons since 2003, (starting with a pretty solid background; 2 degrees, one in a relevant area) and I have seen pretty much every canard, strawman, misconception and lie that is out there. I understand why they are incorrect. I know the creationists' arguments. And I have learned a lot about the evidence for evolution along the way. It takes time and effort, but anyone can do it.

ike, understood, maybe we can chat about other topics in the future that I am more versed in.lol

I'd like that, but there are few topics I know well unfortunately. I am really a one-trick pony.

March 4, 2014 at 8:34 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Now that I have seen proof, I believe in evolution of the species: jesse has evolved from a conservative into a liberal. Right before our eyes. I guess that's what happens when you monkey around too long with Democrats.

March 4, 2014 at 8:39 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Joe, you are too dishonest to admit you were wrong. And you were. Badly. Science is not about liberal or conservative.

March 4, 2014 at 8:40 p.m.
jesse said...

Al If Jesus showed up tomorrow and started preaching and telling folks who he was!!By Monday the fundamentalists would have him nailed back up on a cross!!

March 4, 2014 at 8:43 p.m.
jesse said...

Joe, i ain't a lib OR a con , I'm a realist!

March 4, 2014 at 8:45 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Revelation: alprova is the second coming of http://www.biography.com/people/george-custer-9264128

March 4, 2014 at 8:47 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Joe just buys into the whole "You're with us on 100% of the issues or you're a stinking Liberal" argument. But hey, if being a conservative means you have to not believe in evolution, that would be the number one reason for me not to be a conservative.

March 4, 2014 at 8:48 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I know lots of scientists of many political persuasions. They all accept evolution and most believe in God. Surprised? You wouldn't be if you knew anything about the science that wasn't some misconception fed to you by Creationists.

March 4, 2014 at 8:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

7:59 Alpo: Is your name Roo?

March 4, 2014 at 9:06 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Because of ikeithlu's erudition and courteous humility, the entire mood and feel of this forum, tonight, is refreshing. Jesse impresses! As a reward, I...am...out.

March 4, 2014 at 9:17 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Many of our founding fathers were Deists who held a belief in a God or great creator. But they believed and used the analogy of a watchmaker who set things in motion and left it to run itself.

Many of them detested the trappings of organized religion. They did not believe that a deity was involved in our everyday affairs or any of the supernatural aspects of religion.

The Jefferson Bible, written in Thomas Jeffersons later years, included the teachings of Jesus but excluded almost anything supernatural including miracles.

March 4, 2014 at 9:43 p.m.
volsam said...

hotdiggity, Albert Einstein held the same belief. That's what I meant by both views can co exist.

March 4, 2014 at 9:48 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Rickaroo, it was Bryan College. I think Lee is a bit more sophisticated than to demand that kind of statement of faith." lkeithlu

I stand corrected. My bad.

March 4, 2014 at 9:50 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

volsam- basically agree. Neither believed in a personal God although Jefferson believed in a Supreme Being who created and maintained the universe. This however was not the God of Christianity. He was generally considered a deist.

Einstein was basically a Pantheist which equates God with the forces and laws of the universe.

Both espoused logic and reasoning and disavowed miracles and the divinity of Jesus.

March 4, 2014 at 11:21 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Doggity, without google, you wouldn't have scat to say.

March 4, 2014 at 11:42 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Out of the millions of fossils in the world, not one transitional form has been found. All known species show up abruptly in the fossil record, without intermediate forms, thus contributing to the fact of special creation.

March 5, 2014 at 1:14 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

According to Emile Borel, a French scientist and expert in the area of probability, an event on the cosmic level with a probability of less than 1 out of 10, to the 50th power, will not happen. The probability of producing one human cell by chance is 10, to the 119,000 power.

March 5, 2014 at 1:18 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The second law of thermodynamics states that although the total amount of energy remains constant, the amount of usable energy is constantly decreasing. This law can be seen in most everything. Where work is done, energy is expelled. That energy can never again be used. As usable energy decreases, decay increases. Herein lies the problem for evolution. If the natural trend is toward degeneration, then evolution is impossible, for it demands the betterment of organisms through mutation.

Some try to sidestep this law by saying that it applies only to closed environments. They say the earth is an open environment, collecting energy from the sun. However, Dr. Duane Gish has put forth four conditions that must be met in order for complexity to be generated in an environment.

  1. The system must be an open system.
  2. An adequate external energy force must be available.
  3. The system must possess energy conversion mechanisms.
  4. A control mechanism must exist within the system for directing, maintaining and replicating these energy conversion mechanisms. The second law clearly presents another insurmountable barrier to evolutionary idealism.
March 5, 2014 at 1:20 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

According to evolution, if an organ has lost its value, it should, over time, vanish completely. There has been enough time to lose these "vestigial" organs, but we still have them.

If organs do become useless, this would back up the second law of thermodynamics and the degenerative process, not evolution, which requires adaptation of organs for new purposes.

Vestigial organs prove loss, not evolutionary progression. Evolution theory requires new organs forming for useful purposes, not "old ones" dying out.

Evolutionists have, for the most part, given up the argument over vestigial organs.

March 5, 2014 at 1:22 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

HOMOLOGY/MOLECULAR BIOLOGY

With the development of molecular biology we are able to make a comparison of the same cells in different species, which adds a whole new dimension to homology. Unfortunately, for the evolutionists, molecular biology does as all other evidences do: presents greater argument against evolution theory.

March 5, 2014 at 1:26 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Well, I could probably go on for days with extremely cogent scientific refutation of the stupidity of a faith in 'EVIL'UTIONARY theroy. I just do not want to hog all the space.

Anti-Christs who want to live like immoral zoo animals will come up with most any contrived smoke screen reason to sear [“cauterize”] their conscience. Just be honest. You have dulled Your senses of moral right and wrong. You know Yourself, and, You know that is absolutely what it is all about!

Jesus Christ said through His Apostle, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools".

Ken ORR...does NOT buy Your bag of goods.

March 5, 2014 at 1:36 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

PlainTruth said...

'Doggity, without google, you wouldn't have scat to say.'

PT -Do you think I would not check my facts before I post knowing that someone like you would Google to verify? You did Google, right?

I consider myself fairly well read and make no apologies for referencing books or the internet.

Of course it's much easier to sit back and hurl five word spitballs at people, 16 hours a day, rather than use reference for verification.

March 5, 2014 at 7:09 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken Orr:

All fossils are transitional. So are all living organisms.

Evolution does not violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, because Earth is not a closed system. Gish is wrong and most Creationists groups suggest that you not use this long-debunked argument. You don't really understand physics anyway.

Evolutionists have, for the most part, given up the argument over vestigial organs.

There are no such things as "evolutionists" and biologist use evolution to explain vestigial organs beautifully. Another long-abandoned argument (just how old are your sources anyway? Catch up!)

You have no idea what Homology is, or you would know that it also fits with evolution.

Give it up, Ken Orr. You don't know enough science to launch an effective argument. You would have a little knowledge if you read any of the books on that list you "value". (which appears to be nothing more than a list)

March 5, 2014 at 7:17 a.m.
dude_abides said...

No conservative posts after 7:56 p.m.! On a religion based subject! ikeithlu, you are the cure! You alone can keep that beast at bay! He'll be flying through chapter and verse, looking for something in that book to prove that the book is right. Civility is so yesterday.

March 5, 2014 at 7:43 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I am not sure conservative (or Ken Orr) know half the terms one uses to explain evolution, dude. They would need some time with a dictionary.

This is actually a straight-forward argument, because it is not a matter of opinion. There is simply no physical evidence to support the Genesis account. If you understand that the writers of the OT took a couple of creation stories from the many that existed in the area at the time, along with a flood myth that originated most likely in the Black Sea area, then it makes sense. Of course, the world described in the OT was limited to north Africa and the Middle East. That is why no other areas and their peoples or features are present.

The physical evidence for an ancient earth and evolution is not just adequate. It is huge. And consistent.

March 5, 2014 at 7:47 a.m.
una61 said...

Ik, enjoy your posts.

Responding to Obsessive Compulsive Religious Bigots can be entertaining on an otherwise slow day.

March 5, 2014 at 8:45 a.m.
Maximus said...

This topic again, has been so boring but I am glad that Ikeithlu has not brought her lesbian wicken high priestess daughter into the debate. Talk about out there somewhere spooky......WOW!

We watched the big Academy Award Winning flick GRAVITY last night in the massive MAXIMUS MEDIA ROOM. All of the Republican friends that we had over applauded when Commie George Clooney was killed off about 30 minutes in. The special effects were amazing on my 70 inch 3D flat screen.

March 5, 2014 at 9:12 a.m.
Maximus said...

Topic a total distraction tactic away from the total disaster that is Obama.

March 5, 2014 at 9:15 a.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Al If Jesus showed up tomorrow and started preaching and telling folks who he was!!By Monday the fundamentalists would have him nailed back up on a cross!!"

Ouch!!

I've got a nephew who is the spitting image of Jesus as depicted in many paintings and other images. No kidding.

Last year, at Riverbend, he was constantly asked to take pictures with people.

So far, thank goodness, no one has threatened to nail him to a cross, but he has been asked where his is.

March 5, 2014 at 9:31 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Wow, Alpo. Runs in the family, huh? If you had long hair and a beard, I bet you'd look just like, well, a short, fat, long haired, bearded, old used car huckster.

March 5, 2014 at 9:39 a.m.
alprova said...

rickaroo wrote: "Of course it's much easier to sit back and hurl five word spitballs at people, 16 hours a day, rather than use reference for verification."

Aw, c'mon, he would be guilty of doing that, would he?

The man is simply too pathetic to even see the projections that he deflects to others.

He must be one of the best Twitterdum's out there, for he's bitched and moaned and I'm sure, has petitioned the TFP to limit contributions in this forum.

Twitter and this forum is what keeps his heart beating. If he was to lose his Internet conncetion, he would wither up and die.

March 5, 2014 at 9:43 a.m.
alprova said...

dude_abides wrote: "No conservative posts after 7:56 p.m.!"

I can explain that.

At 8:00 pm every night, he must pause to update his online business websites. He's gotta upload a fresh new batch of gay porn to keep his customers pleased.

March 5, 2014 at 9:47 a.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Wow, Alpo. Runs in the family, huh? If you had long hair and a beard, I bet you'd look just like, well, a short, fat, long haired, bearded, old used car huckster."

You really seem to have a hard on for used car dealers. But then, that's understandable for somone who has absolutely no need for transportation.

You see, as an obvious shut-in, who probably has trouble ambling back and forth to the toilet a few times a day, and given the frequency of your postings, not to metion the time you split between this forum and Twitter, I'm betting that you have the fanciest, industrial sized port-a-pottie that can be found in these parts.

Why I'd even bet that puppy has a padded seat.

I feel for the home health nurse who comes into your home each day who is charged with emptying the damn thing out for you.

March 5, 2014 at 9:57 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo continues to hurl invectives at other posters, despite calling for an end to hurled invectives. Bizzare. BTW, ALPO. my internet conncetion is solid.

March 5, 2014 at 9:58 a.m.
alprova said...

pt wote: "Alpo continues to hurl invectives at other posters, despite calling for an end to hurled invectives. Bizzare. BTW, ALPO. me internet conncetion is solid."

Oh, I have no doubt about that. Most housing projects furnish them for the inhabitants these days.

You haven't even tried to stop hurling "invectives" so when you act, I'm sure there are going to be plenty of reactions from myself and others.

As a common troll, you feed on that kind of crap.

It's aboslutely hilarious to witness your whining, like a three year old mind you, about something you refuse to stop doing yourself.

I think you love being cyber-slapped, you masochistic moron.

In my high school days, I worked in a restaurant, where one of the waitresses I worked with came to work routinely with a black eye and bruises.

When speaking with the restaurant owner one day, I mentioned that someone should beat the woman's husband the way he beat on her. My boss informed me that she like to be hit during sex.

I think you're kinda like that. Of course the thought that of a 70ish man masturbating while searching for anyone who bites back at you, after dropping your little Twitter droppings in here, is an image that I sure don't want running around in my head.

March 5, 2014 at 10:15 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "We watched the big Academy Award Winning flick GRAVITY last night in the massive MAXIMUS MEDIA ROOM. All of the Republican friends that we had over applauded when Commie George Clooney was killed off about 30 minutes in. The special effects were amazing on my 70 inch 3D flat screen."

Sure you did.

March 5, 2014 at 10:22 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

How about that Lois Lerner, huh? But alas, "Not even a smidgen of corruption," folks.

March 5, 2014 at 10:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo posts: "Of course the thought that of a 70ish man masturbating while searching for anyone who bites back at you, after dropping your little Twitter droppings in here, is an image that I sure don't want running around in my head."
now there's an enlightening post. Twitter is limited to 140 character per post, Alpy. You surely could not survive there. I use Twitter, but surely you are the twit.

March 5, 2014 at 10:44 a.m.
jesse said...

Al, tell him to claim to be Jesus and see how long he lasts!!

BTW: thanks to yesterdays posters .most enjoyable day i've had on here!It could be like that every day!!!

March 5, 2014 at 12:02 p.m.

The theory of human evolution is about as believable as the theory of spontaneous generation.

Organization out of chaos, yeah.

The fact that there's no life beyond earth is solid proof of God, and they're alone and pretty damn special. We've been sending out signals and probes for decades with no response. Mars has obvious signs that water existed there, but where's the life?

If anything, we're devolving and we're self-destructive. Homosexuality and abortion, mostly the promotion of those two, or the attempt to legitimize it, is proof that we're self-destructive.

March 5, 2014 at 12:22 p.m.

that should be, we're alone, not they're alone.

March 5, 2014 at 12:23 p.m.
ibshame said...

And now for a pause from our regularly scheduled debate: Science vs Fantasy

KUDOS TO MR. BENNETT

Clay Bennett, editorial cartoonist for the Chattanooga Times Free Press, this week was named the finalist for the 2014 Herblock Prize. The national prize is awarded annually by the Herb Block Foundation for "distinguished examples of editorial cartooning that exemplify the courageous independent standard set by Herblock,"

The judges noted, "Clay Bennett is a master of the surprising visual metaphor. His clean, elegant drawings convey his strong opinions with deceptive simplicity."

*Bennett won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning, and has been a finalist for the Pulitzer seven times.

And he keeps the nutjobs climbing the walls around here. LOL

March 5, 2014 at 12:32 p.m.

ibshame, if he were a conservative you wouldn't be posting that.

March 5, 2014 at 12:39 p.m.
jesse said...

Bleeder you are w/o a doubt an idjit!!

If it weren't for con man you would hold the title!!

Back to busis. as usual!!

March 5, 2014 at 12:48 p.m.

Why am I an idiot? Elaborate.

March 5, 2014 at 1 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, you certainly don't know anything about science, yet feel compelled to say something here about it. Which, of course, was incorrect.

March 5, 2014 at 1:09 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, a.k.a. alprova wrote:

"I am a Christian because I try to emulate Christ on a daily basis"

"conservative, you are a sick, sick man."

8:00 pm every night, he must pause to update his online business websites. He's gotta upload a fresh new batch of gay porn to keep his customers pleased.

"Of course the thought that of a 70ish man masturbating while searching for anyone who bites back at you,..."

"Jesus sinned"

"Jesus cannot be God"

"The idea that we are to accept a mass-murderer as an object of worship doesn't reflect well upon Christians at all. If he murdered nearly every human on the planet, God is far more heinous than Hitler. Yet Christians are to willfully worship him without question. Why?"

Jesus said:

For by thy words thou shalt be justified , and by thy words thou shalt be condemned . Matthew 12:37

March 5, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.

What was incorrect?

March 5, 2014 at 1:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The theory of human evolution is about as believable as the theory of spontaneous generation.

The fact that there's no life beyond earth is solid proof of God, and they're alone and pretty damn special

March 5, 2014 at 1:17 p.m.

I never claimed to know anything about science. There's on going debate about evolution, just like there is about "man made global warming". I'm entitled to my opinion.

March 5, 2014 at 1:22 p.m.

There is no proof of life on other planets? Where is it?

I do believe we're alone, and unique.

I do think life evolves, but not in that way.

March 5, 2014 at 1:24 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your opinion (or anyone else's) is meaningless when it comes to scientific matters. Of course, you have the right to be wrong. Or to believe what you wish. Doesn't make it accurate.

March 5, 2014 at 1:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

beating a dead horse

March 5, 2014 at 1:29 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

There is no proof of life on other planets? Where is it?

No life has been found yet, and may never be found. That is not "proof" of anything. It is however, evidence that a specific set of conditions is needed.

I do believe we're alone, and unique.

You can believe what you like. Belief is not relevant to science. You can believe that the moon is made of green cheese if you like.

I do think life evolves, but not in that way.

"That way"?

March 5, 2014 at 1:31 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Fairmon, actually the behavior of this discussion group favors reverse de-evolution back towards that hairy hand in clay's cartoon!

PT - thanks for the reminder (burnt palm leaves) but watch out for signs that do not always reveal the heart.

March 5, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... beating a dead horse"

I assume from your avatar you got your ashes on your forehead today. Can't remember the last time I got my forehead rubbed with the ashes. I keep saying I'm going but somehow never make it.

March 5, 2014 at 1:38 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"We watched the big Academy Award Winning flick GRAVITY last night in the massive MAXIMUS MEDIA ROOM. All of the Republican friends that we had over applauded when Commie George Clooney was killed off about 30 minutes in. The special effects were amazing on my 70 inch 3D flat screen." - Maximus

Maxie, you can't seem to say anything without bragging about your money or the tawdry toys that you buy with it. Here's a little clue for you - we don't give a rat's ass. You can own a Lear jet or 2 yachts or even your very own island...we are not impressed. First off, we know you're lying, and second, we don't care, even if you're not. Every time you mention your expensive imaginary toys it only becomes obvious how stunted your mind. You seem to be stuck in perpetual adolescence, needing something outside yourself to prove how big and important you think you are. You're a joke and nobody is laughing with you but at you.

March 5, 2014 at 1:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

And Maxie, dear, my " lesbian wicken (sic) high priestess daughter" that you mention has more integrity and empathy in her fingernail than you have in your entire body.

March 5, 2014 at 1:45 p.m.
kkemerait said...

Dear Zableedofisterix,

Who says there is no life anywhere else? Do you have any idea of the size of even the observable universe? It is roughly 45 billion light years in diameter....and you think there isn't any life out there because we've been broadcasting signals for the last few decades?

A few quick calculations will show how silly this statement is. The observable universe is roughly 45 billion light years in diameter. If we were to reduce that to the approximate size of the United states ~3000 miles. Now let's imagine that we have been sending signals at the speed of light for the last 40 years, then what you are saying is equivalent to saying that since I sent out my carrier pigeon and it has had a chance to travel 0.00168" (0.04 mm) then obviously there is no one else living in the US because no one has responded yet!!!

Need I say more?

March 5, 2014 at 1:46 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lu, 1:45: I will denounce what he said.

March 5, 2014 at 1:54 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Clay can win all the awards he needs to. But he'll always be butt ugly.

March 5, 2014 at 1:54 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, that makes you the adult in the room, TOES, doesn't it?

March 5, 2014 at 1:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

IQM. thanks. always enjoy your advice.😏

March 5, 2014 at 2:01 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The details according to documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act:

"— The outbound flight to Honolulu for the Obama 2012-2013 Christmas vacation cost taxpayers $2,214,393.60. The return flight to Washington was $1,871,961.60. The total price for flight expenditures alone came to $4,086,355.20."

"— The outbound flight to California in August 2013 for Obama to dine with fundraiser and DreamWorks CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg and appear on the “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” cost taxpayers $1,209,926.40. The return flight to Washington was $935,980.80. The total price for flight expenditures alone came to $2,145,907.20."

It's good to see Obama vigorously doing his part to outline "income inequality".

March 5, 2014 at 2:02 p.m.

Whether it's a certain set of conditions needed, based on what we have here, or whatever else it would be, none has been found. There's no communication, no response to what we send out. We do know there was water on mars, yet there's no proof of life there. None has been found anywhere except earth. That's a fact.

kk, silly? None has been found so far. No evidence at all of life as we know it, or any life of any kind. Need I say more?

Until there's evidence to the contrary, then I can assume that we're unique and alone in the universe.

March 5, 2014 at 2:05 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

That's just the truth for all.

Christie is fat, Obama's got big ears and Clay Bennett is butt ugly.

These are facts not theories. Big deal.

March 5, 2014 at 2:07 p.m.

There's no evidence of life as we know it based on "a set of conditions needed", here on earth, or anything at all of any kind, zero. So, I believe we're unique/special/a miracle..whatever.

March 5, 2014 at 2:11 p.m.
jesse said...

Being ugly is a gift from your "GOD", being ignorant is self imposed!!

March 5, 2014 at 2:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

LOL!

March 5, 2014 at 2:13 p.m.

You might as well believe in big foot, leprechauns, fairies and the zombies. There's just as much evidence of those as there is of life beyond earth.

March 5, 2014 at 2:17 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

DNC Attendees Can't Name a Single Hillary Accomplishment

"Last week, the Democratic Party had their winter meeting and MRCTV's Dan Joseph decided to ask DNC committee members and guests if they're ready for Hillary--and why."

Some said she had about a hundred moments of greatness when she served under President Obama - but, strangely, couldn't name a single accomplishment of hers, besides marrying Bill Clinton.

Another attendee mentioned Clinton's stance on abortion as a reason to be super excited for Hillary Clinton in 2016. As for her accomplishments, none came to mind, but she noted that Obama saw a reason for her to be nominated as Secretary of State.

http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/matt-vespa/dnc-attendees-cant-name-single-hillary-accomplishment#sthash.Ak8dqyDt.GSRw7xWS.dpuf

Ignorance? In droves.

March 5, 2014 at 2:21 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

You can believe what you like. Belief is not relevant to science. You can believe that the moon is made of green cheese if you like.

Except for the practicing scientist, in their respective fields, the acceptance of their findings and pronouncements is almost entirely based on faith and belief in their truthfulness and testable inerrancy. I would be very willing to bet that most everyone posting here are operating on nothing but faith concerning anything of advanced scientific principles and findings.

You’ve got nothing except what someone has told you or you have read, but the junior H.S. dissertations have been most enlightening.

March 5, 2014 at 2:22 p.m.

It's funny how some poke fun at Christians for their belief in GOD, they say there's no evidence, yet they insist there's life outside of earth, even though there's no evidence of any kind. We just have to keep looking.

March 5, 2014 at 2:25 p.m.
jesse said...

No one has insisted that there's life anywhere else only that the probabilities are very high!

March 5, 2014 at 2:32 p.m.

The probabilities are high? Based on what?

March 5, 2014 at 2:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I'm open to life elsewhere. only problem I have is, since they are generally presumed to be advanced, why haven't they dialed up for at least a chat?

March 5, 2014 at 2:37 p.m.

Hollywood has decided that they're more intelligent than we are, PT. Those are the same people who thought BO was a genius.

March 5, 2014 at 2:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

Maxie, you can't seem to say anything without bragging about your money or the tawdry toys that you buy with it. Here's a little clue for you - we don't give a rat's ass. You can own a Lear jet or 2 yachts or even your very own island...we are not impressed.

Of course you Fleabaggers “give a rat’s ass”, Maxie knows that you do, and that’s why he posts about it. It’s a Pavlovian response on your part and he seems to delight in rattling your dinner bowl.

March 5, 2014 at 2:41 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T. you do understand that radio waves travel at the speed of light and if life is in a star system 150 light years away then the FIRST signals from earth are about half way there then factor in the return trip ya got 300 years at the soonest!

March 5, 2014 at 2:45 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Chances are if we ever do find life outside our planet, It'll have the intelligence level of slime mold, or Homo-Liberalus.

March 5, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.

If you say so, Jesse. Still nothing to go by, no evidence. From what we know so far it's just bunch of rocks, gas giants, stars and some planets or moons that might have some frozen water on them.

March 5, 2014 at 2:53 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I get that, Jesse. Was thinking, if they're advanced, radio waves would be as outdated as Alpo's brain.

March 5, 2014 at 2:57 p.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... I'm open to life elsewhere. only problem I have is, since they are generally presumed to be advanced, why haven't they dialed up for at least a chat?"

One of my favorite movies is "Battleship" In the movie scientists have built this device that sends signals deep into space. One scientist has been against sending these signals because he's pretty much afraid they will be answered. He explains his fear by saying if there is a life form out there and they have the capability to get here it will be like Columbus and the explorers discovering the New World and the Indians, only this time we'll be the Indians and we will be the ones conquered.

It makes some sense because any alien form that has the intelligence and the capability to get here would have to far exceed what we have here on earth.

March 5, 2014 at 3:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

ibshame said...

KUDOS TO MR. BENNETT

Clay Bennett, editorial cartoonist for the Chattanooga Times Free Press, this week was named the finalist for the 2014 Herblock Prize.

Bennett won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning, and has been a finalist for the Pulitzer seven times.

Arafat and Obama both won the Nobel Peace Prize so there is that as examples of the standards for contemporary prize committees.

And he keeps the nutjobs climbing the walls around here. LOL

The lions on the Serengeti do come to the water holes to drink but more importantly is that their food supply does so as well... However at this “water hole” the Conservatives are only offered Fleabagger intellectual junk food....LMFAO!!

March 5, 2014 at 3:11 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "The fact that there's no life beyond earth is solid proof of God..."

When has that fact ever been established? If there is no life beyond Earth, there goes Heaven, at least from your perspective I suppose.

March 5, 2014 at 3:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

*

Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

You can believe what you like. Belief is not relevant to science. You can believe that the moon is made of green cheese if you like.

Except for the practicing scientist, in their respective fields, the acceptance of their findings and pronouncements is almost entirely based on faith and belief in their truthfulness and testable inerrancy. I would be very willing to bet that most everyone posting here are operating on nothing but faith concerning anything of advanced scientific principles and findings.

Coming from someone who knows zip about science, that's rich.

March 5, 2014 at 3:13 p.m.
alprova said...

ilkeithlu wrote: "And Maxie, dear, my " lesbian wicken (sic) high priestess daughter" that you mention has more integrity and empathy in her fingernail than you have in your entire body."

Amen and amen.

March 5, 2014 at 3:17 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Until there's evidence to the contrary, then I can assume that we're unique and alone in the universe.

It is safe to assume so, but it is not "proof" of anything. But it is a big universe, and we have barely looked beyond this solar system. It probably won't be found in our lifetime.

March 5, 2014 at 3:17 p.m.
alprova said...

toes wrote: "Clay can win all the awards he needs to. But he'll always be butt ugly."

Take a photo of YOURSELF and use it for an avatar and let's see what YOU look like.

It's been my life experience to witness that virtually everyone that sits around and refers to how anyone else looks, rarely if ever observes themselves in a mirror.

March 5, 2014 at 3:21 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Lu, 1:45: I will denounce what he said."

What did he SAY? That's some rather developed ears you have there.

March 5, 2014 at 3:23 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Blow it out your ass puffinstuff.

March 5, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I suspect he is referring to Maxie's very Christian post about my daughter. Which I appreciate.

March 5, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher, a.k.a. alprova wrote:

"I am a Christian because I try to emulate Christ on a daily basis"

"conservative, you are a sick, sick man."

At 8:00 pm every night, he must pause to update his online business websites. He's gotta upload a fresh new batch of gay porn to keep his customers pleased.

"Of course the thought that of a 70ish man masturbating while searching for anyone who bites back at you,..."

"Hey...the Bible is what it is, and you and a few of your fellow idiots refuse to read what can be read."

"The Bible never has been the word of God and you will never make it so"

" The Bible is not the word of God. The Bible is the word of humans who claim to have interacted verbally with God"

"Jesus cannot be God"

"Jesus sinned"

Jesus said:

For by thy words thou shalt be justified , and by thy words thou shalt be condemned . Matthew 12:37

March 5, 2014 at 3:27 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"You might as well believe in big foot, leprechauns, fairies and the zombies. There's just as much evidence of those as there is of life beyond earth." - zableed

Like jesse said, nobody is insisting or saying without a doubt that there is life beyond earth, only that the probabilities are very high. But there is no more evidence of God either so you might just as well believe in Big Foot, leprechauns, fairies, and zombies as believe in your God. It is actually possible that life could exist on other planets in other galaxies and it would not be considered supernatural, it would fall well within the range of possibility based on the laws of nature and physics. But to believe in a God that is somehow above and apart from the laws of nature is to believe in the supernatural or fairy tales, the stuff that fairies and leprechauns are made of.

March 5, 2014 at 3:28 p.m.

As I wrote, Alprova, there's no evidence at all that there's anything out there. I should've written outside of earth, instead of beyond.

March 5, 2014 at 3:29 p.m.
alprova said...

Toes wrote: "That's just the truth for all. Christie is fat, Obama's got big ears and Clay Bennett is butt ugly. These are facts not theories. Big deal."

Sir, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I would much rather interact with someone, on any level, who has a decent disposition, who can carry on a civil conversation, who is high spirited, congenial, warm, creative, and occasionally witty, who may or may not be considered to be eye candy, any day of the week, than to make my decisions as to who is considered to be attractive based on appearance alone.

It really would be a hoot to see how you compare to that which you consider to be ugly.

I'd bet my left leg that you wouldn't win any contests yourself.

March 5, 2014 at 3:30 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Man crush on Bennett. Alpo.

March 5, 2014 at 3:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "You might as well believe in big foot, leprechauns, fairies and the zombies. There's just as much evidence of those as there is of life beyond earth."

That's funny, the very same things could be said about any belief in the superior being aka known as God, for he is as obscure, mythical, and non-revealing as that which you have cited above.

You just canceled your own argument.

I look around at the wonderment of everything that there is on this Earth and I do believe in God, but I also understand that God gave each and every one of us a brain to think with, to reason with, to question everything, to discover and improve all that makes us human.

Clearly, there are those who use their brains to do this, and there are those who are a little more than lazy in that department.

It's not recket science to understand who does and who doesn't use their brains to any potential at all.

Religious fanatatics are extremely lazy when it comes to using their brains. I do not offer that as a fact, but merely a rational, personal opinion, which most people on this planet do agree with, fortunately.

March 5, 2014 at 3:40 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said... ibshame said... KUDOS TO MR. BENNETT Bennett won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning, and has been a finalist for the Pulitzer seven times.

Arafat and Obama both won the Nobel Peace Prize so there is that as examples of the standards for contemporary prize committees.

The lions on the Serengeti do come to the water holes to drink but more importantly is that their food supply does so as well... However at this “water hole” the Conservatives are only offered Fleabagger intellectual junk food....LMFAO!!"

Exactly how many Nobel Prizes have you won or even been nominated for? But let's not stop there exactly how many Pulitzer Prizes have you won or been nominated for? The best you can do is cut and paste from some right wing rag like Brietbart.com or copy something from some nutjob sitting behind his computer making up crap as he goes for someone like you to cut and paste as research. LOL You have nothing to offer that's original. You think you're a lion?? HAHAHAHAH

It's miracle you have lasted this long.

March 5, 2014 at 3:42 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Of course you Fleabaggers “give a rat’s ass”, Maxie knows that you do, and that’s why he posts about it. It’s a Pavlovian response on your part and he seems to delight in rattling your dinner bowl." - Jtsomethingorother

Nope. My dinner bowl remains unrattled. I really don't give a rat's ass. I stopped being impressed by outward manifestations of wealth a long time ago. I sneer at people who always feel compelled to flaunt their bling (and by the way, that is not a sneer of envy but of disgust). A mature person does not judge someone based on material wealth and a truly successful person knows that there is much more to real success than monetary wealth or expensive possessions. In fact, the more a person talks about his/her "things" the more obvious it is how insecure and immature that person is.

March 5, 2014 at 3:43 p.m.

Everything has a creator. We create, we create things out of nothing. We take ideas and make them into reality. So why isn't it possible for there to be a supreme creator? We're the evidence that there's a supreme creator/GOD, in my opinion.

March 5, 2014 at 3:43 p.m.
alprova said...

Jesse, I've been totally impressed with some of your responses today. I thought you to be just a wee bit under-educated.

You should display this side of you more often.

It has you shining like a star today!!

March 5, 2014 at 3:45 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Everything has a creator. We create, we create things out of nothing. We take ideas and make them into reality. So why isn't it possible for there to be a supreme creator? We're the evidence that there's a supreme creator/GOD, in my opinion.

It isn't a matter of it being impossible that there is a creator. It's just that the evidence points to evolution over hundreds of millions of years, not "poofed" into being suddenly. If you want to believe in a creator, fine. That's your choice. Doesn't make it science.

March 5, 2014 at 3:46 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Toes wrote: "That's just the truth for all. Christie is fat, Obama's got big ears and Clay Bennett is butt ugly. These are fa cts not theories. Big deal."

This from the same person who wrote Trayvon Martin must have been a member of a Union.

March 5, 2014 at 3:46 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "I get that, Jesse. Was thinking, if they're advanced, radio waves would be as outdated as Alpo's brain."

You're totally hilarious when you get butt-hurt.

March 5, 2014 at 3:47 p.m.
jesse said...

this place Just finally got around to somethin that interests me Al!

March 5, 2014 at 3:53 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative, I stand ready to meet God and to answer for every word I have ever uttered or typewritten my entire life.

Are YOU so confident?

I love it very much that you endorse my writings the way you do each and every day. After all, they have your name on them. You decide to post them.

You're doing nothing at all to refute my words, which you claim to be able to do, and with God on your side, you'd think he would guide you to type a perfect response that would negate every single one of my statements.

So what's the problem? Do you know even know or understand God?

Do you have a grasp on the Bible or not?

It's been months, and a couple of years in some cases, and to date, you have not refuted one single sentence I have offered into this forum.

Keep up the good work of turning people away from your brand of Christianity.

You're a dying breed, I assure you.

March 5, 2014 at 3:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Toes wrote: "Man crush on Bennett. Alpo."

Not at all.

But I do find that people who opine on the appearance of others are ugly in their own right.

And you are indeed ugly for typing something like that.

March 5, 2014 at 4:02 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Everything has a creator. We create, we create things out of nothing. We take ideas and make them into reality. So why isn't it possible for there to be a supreme creator? We're the evidence that there's a supreme creator/GOD, in my opinion."

And thus, the debate goes on.

Anything and everything is possible.

But, as I pointed out awhile ago, Science involves the analytical studies of that which you can touch, hear, see, smell, and taste.

Any one of the five senses prove that something is real.

Many people have a believe, to varying degrees that God exists, but there is absolutely no scientific proof that he does, and even the most convinced that God exists, might be able to convince people that he once existed, but not that he currently exists.

I'm wide open to anything and everything, and I am always a work in progress.

Isn't that what life is all about? To evolve, to learn, to think, to reason, to strive for self-improvement, until the day comes that we move on from this life to another demension?

At the risk of enduring another round of hyena howls, I am a believer in reincarnation. It makes absolutely no sense whatever to me that we live one life here on Earth and that's it.

I believe that we live many lives here, a succession of differing circumstances, differing cultures, skin colors, even genders.

There are young souls and old souls.

The Bible supports the theory of reincarnation too.

I'm sure someone will challenge me on that one.

Go ahead, I'm ready willing and able to prove it.

March 5, 2014 at 4:21 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

ibshame said...

One of my favorite movies is "Battleship" In the movie scientists have built this device that sends signals deep into space. One scientist has been against sending these signals because he's pretty much afraid they will be answered. He explains his fear by saying if there is a life form out there and they have the capability to get here it will be like Columbus and the explorers discovering the New World and the Indians, only this time we'll be the Indians and we will be the ones conquered.

It makes some sense because any alien form that has the intelligence and the capability to get here would have to far exceed what we have here on earth.

I know what you mean ... who doesn't love a summer blockbuster special effects extravagancy ... as they say “I suggest you don't think about it and just enjoy the ride” ... Right?

Captain Yugi Nagata: We're going to die!

Alex Hopper: We are going to die. You're going to die, I'm going to die, we're all going to die... just not today.

Petty Officer Cora 'Weps' Raikes: [aiming a cannon at the alien soldier] Mahalo, motherf...

[BOOM!]

Lieutenant Colonel Mick Canales: You ready?

Cal Zapata: I'm sorry, but there is no way that I am going down there. I do not possess that kind of courage.

Lieutenant Colonel Mick Canales: Right now, you're going to acquire that courage, or else I'm going to break my steel leg off in your ass. You feel me?

Cal Zapata: I feel you.

Wow!! ... a movie about a Hasbro board game.. cinematic art at it highest. But we did defeat those supposedly superior slimy illegal aliens and deported the tattered remnants back to their home country ...er .. planet ... Immigration enforcement at its finest ... Right?

March 5, 2014 at 4:22 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

jesse, you're in deep kimchee when you get praised by Alpo. Even tho he did insult you with the education remark. This from a guy that flunked outta Walker State.

March 5, 2014 at 4:25 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

"Of course you Fleabaggers “give a rat’s ass”, Maxie knows that you do, and that’s why he posts about it. It’s a Pavlovian response on your part and he seems to delight in rattling your dinner bowl." - Jtsomethingorother

Nope. My dinner bowl remains unrattled. I really don't give a rat's ass. I stopped being impressed by outward manifestations of wealth a long time ago. I sneer at people who always feel compelled to flaunt their bling (and by the way, that is not a sneer of envy but of disgust). A mature person does not judge someone based on material wealth and a truly successful person knows that there is much more to real success than monetary wealth or expensive possessions. In fact, the more a person talks about his/her "things" the more obvious it is how insecure and immature that person is.

See! ... even I can do it.

March 5, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.
kkemerait said...

Zab,

Yes, you can safely say that so far, it appears we are alone in the universe. That neither implies a miracle, nor does it preclude us from discovering life in the future.

My point was, since we have "explored" such an infinitely small portion of the known universe, you really can't use that as indicating a likeliness that we are in fact alone.

This is why I reduced it to more understandable proportions...i.e. the United States...no one in their right mind would, after exploring a fraction of a square millimeter of space, proceed to say that this should somehow be seen as indicating a likelihood of not finding anyone anywhere in the US.

March 5, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

alpo says "It's not recket (sic) science to understand who does and who doesn't use their brains to any potential at all." Slow down Lie-boy. That 300wpm typing causes mistakes. Alpo further states that "I'd bet my left leg that you wouldn't win any contests yourself." I wouldn't be too cavalier with that left leg, lie-boy

March 5, 2014 at 4:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo vomits "I sneer at people who always feel compelled to flaunt their bling (and by the way, that is not a sneer of envy but of disgust). A mature person does not judge someone based on material wealth and a truly successful person knows that there is much more to real success than monetary wealth or expensive possessions. In fact, the more a person talks about his/her "things" the more obvious it is how insecure and immature that person is." Spoken like someone that doesn't have 2 nickels to rub together

March 5, 2014 at 4:34 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "jesse, you're in deep kimchee when you get praised by Alpo. Even tho he did insult you with the education remark."

That was no insult and I don't believe he took it as one either.

"This from a guy that flunked outta Walker State."

You're truly not from around this area, are you?

Walker State? Where's that? It's not an institution that I have ever claimed to attend.

That aside, I have all the proof in my possession that I gradudated with top grades from every school I have ever attended, just in case I decide to run for President or something in the future.

March 5, 2014 at 4:34 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

But, as I pointed out awhile ago, Science involves the analytical studies of that which you can touch, hear, see, smell, and taste.

To evolve, to learn, to think, to reason, to strive for self-improvement, until the day comes that we move on from this life to another demension?

At the risk of enduring another round of hyena howls, I am a believer in reincarnation. It makes absolutely no sense whatever to me that we live one life here on Earth and that's it.

I believe that we live many lives here, a succession of differing circumstances, differing cultures, skin colors, even genders.

There are young souls and old souls.

I bet you are so anxious to move on to your next and hopefully better existence, as a middle aged Black woman in the 4th dimension, that you can “taste” it.

The Bible supports the theory of reincarnation too.

I'm sure someone will challenge me on that one