published Wednesday, March 12th, 2014

Bryan College

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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hotdiggity said...

“I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure — that is all that agnosticism means.” ― Clarence Darrow

“The fear of God is not the beginning of wisdom. The fear of God is the death of wisdom. Skepticism and doubt lead to study and investigation, and investigation is the beginning of wisdom.” ― Clarence Darrow

March 12, 2014 at 1:56 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

So what's your point hotdog. Nothing to say? Your cookys' in the mail.

March 12, 2014 at 4:29 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God". -- Heywood Broun

"This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." --Benjamin Franklin

March 12, 2014 at 4:38 a.m.
fairmon said...

Bryan is an independent college that people can attend or not attend. The school has the right to make the rules and people can decide if they prefer other options for obtaining an education. The professors can seek other employment or change careers if they object to the rules. Rules that cause a lack of attendance or the ability to attract competent teachers will demonstrate what free markets are about when the school can no longer operate.

March 12, 2014 at 4:38 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

And so it begins:

Republican Party wins Florida congressional seat in special election

http://news.yahoo.com/republican-party-wins-florida-congressional-seat-special-election-002457961.html

March 12, 2014 at 5:08 a.m.
LibDem said...

The loss in Florida was nothing important. We never expected to win. It's not significant.

(Now I'm going to cry a little bit and go off to work.)

March 12, 2014 at 7 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

Clarence is in a casket six feet under the ground. He evolved into a corpse, you know.

March 12, 2014 at 7:15 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

TOES02800 said...

So what's your point hotdog. Your cookys' in the mail.

If you had bothered to keep up with the issues at Bryan College perhaps you might have a clue. Besides the fact that many of the professors have chafed at having to embrace a clarification of their loyalty oath, many of them have been moving towards a less literal interpretation of parts of the Bible.

As far as the quotes from Clarence Darrow, (and the reference by Clay of Mr. Darrow)? You do know that Bryan College was named after William Jennings Bryan who debated Mr. Darrow in the Scopes Monkey trial? See the connection?

I note that many times you miss the subtle nuances of many of Clay's toons so, no cookie for you.

March 12, 2014 at 8:07 a.m.

It's their school. If there's a school that has a certain philosophy, and has a rule that states you can't promote your religious views, then you have to abide by that if you want to work there. This is a non-issue. This is the same old crap, just like Catholics who protest the Church's rules, and demand that the Church changes. Go to a different church then. Martin Luther didn't like what was going on, so he left. You don't you the rules, go somewhere else. Bryan College doesn't have to change just to please some employees.

March 12, 2014 at 8:40 a.m.

The school is named after W.J. Bryan. What do you want?

March 12, 2014 at 8:47 a.m.
jjmez said...

fairmon said... Bryan is an independent college that people can attend or not attend

Yeah! Like all those independent colleges DEEEEpenDENT upon federal public tax dollars?

March 12, 2014 at 8:55 a.m.

So because a school gets tax dollars they have to change their rules and philosophy? Idiocy. A school can survive without tax dollars. Hillsdale College does.

LibDem, that loss in Florida is only the beginning. If the Dem would've won, you would say it's very significant.

March 12, 2014 at 9:06 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

If Bryan continues this policy, it will lose its accreditation. A future Bryan degree will be worthless unless you are in seminarian school. I talked to a Bryan student two days ago (he will be a senior next year) and he is worried about the future of the school.

March 12, 2014 at 9:39 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Folklore and mythology have a place in anthropology, but any "school" that forces its faculty to teach fabulous tales in place of science does a severe disservice to its students. Those kids will not be grateful when they learn that the real world operates on critical thinking skills and verifiable evidence, and that they have been educationally handicapped by obtaining a degree from Bryan "college."

March 12, 2014 at 9:54 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

When I saw this toon, my first thought was "here we go again". Cue the "enlightened" (haha) Haywood Hale Broun lobbed one directly in the blowhole, Toes. "Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God". -- Heywood Broun

March 12, 2014 at 10:25 a.m.
jesse said...

Heywood Broun don't know con man and Al!AND 4 or 5 more on here!!

The BEST line i ever heard about someone's belief's was when George Will responded when asked he said "Im a non denominational skeptic!" nuff said!

March 12, 2014 at 10:42 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Unless a person is studying hard science, engineering or some other field where a license to practice is required, college is a waste of time and money. Liberal arts colleges are mostly job mills for people with a Ph.D. in liberal arts. Their usefulness disappeared when draft deferments were no longer needed.

What will the world do without an accredited Bryan College? It will go on without even a pause to mark the day.

It's time for a return to the idea of trade schools and business schools for most of the population. Trying to "teach them better" is a lost cause, and is a waste of resources.

March 12, 2014 at 11:40 a.m.

Moonkat, your statement is ignorant. They can learn all the science they want, but they go there because they choose to believe. It's what they want, nobody is forcing them to go there. To you it's folklore and mythology, to them it's more important than anything else. Liberals spend way too much time putting down Christians. Nobody is stopping them from researching all the science they want, but when they go there they know what they're getting. This is a non-issue. It's just a bunch of liberals trying to interfere in matters that are none of your business.

March 12, 2014 at 11:44 a.m.

You libs will fight tooth and nail to promote things like pot, sodomy, abortion, the legitimization of illegal aliens from Mexico, and many other things, but you constantly bitch about Christians and what they believe.

March 12, 2014 at 11:46 a.m.
jesse said...

Being a "believer" pays jack sh!T!! Ya better learn how to do something if ya wanta EAT!!75% of grads would be better off if they attained a SKILL, like pipe fitter,mill wrighte,electrician or heavy equip.operator!

March 12, 2014 at 11:54 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Prairie_dog, the cost of my college education is minuscule in comparison to the money I will earn before I retire. I enjoyed my time in college, as well (and I didn't party during college, I wasn't a member of a fraternity, and I worked almost 30 hours a week). Earning my degrees was important to me, not because I felt that I was satisfying societal requirements, but because I worked hard and reached goals I had set for myself after leaving the military. Now, don't read into that as me saying that I believe everyone should go to college, because I don't. I have long advocated that students should seek degrees in areas that are high in demand and the colleges should encourage that, as well. But never since I graduated have I felt that I wasted any time or money.

And the town of Dayton would be negatively impacted "without an accredited Bryan College".

March 12, 2014 at 11:57 a.m.
conservative said...

GaussianInteger:

I almost missed your latest false accusation concerning myself: "With the venom he spews on a daily basis, he deserves everything that is tossed his way."

Unfortunately for you, I didn't. You placed your short false accusation too close to my comment at 3:41 p.m. March 8, 2014 so I noticed it.

Now in the past, I have allowed you to run after I challenged you to prove your false accusations.

No more. I will continue to challenge you to substantiate your accusation OR admit your lie.

I only quoted Mr. Anthony Provancher at 3:41 p.m. March 8, 2014 WITH NO WORDS OF MY OWN. I also quoted the words of Jesus Christ who is the second person of the Trinity - God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ was holy, sinless God incarnate.

TO DENY THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THAT HE SINNED IS EGREGIOUS BLASPHEMY!

No words of mine were added at all, so it was impossible for me to "spew venom." So, you are left with Mr. Anthony Provancer spewing venom. You couldn't possible mean Jesus Christ could you?

You attack me and now you tell me to leave you alone when I ask you to substantiate you charge of spewing venom. You have a lot of nerve

March 12, 2014 at 12:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

conman: give it a rest. please.

March 12, 2014 at 12:06 p.m.
jesse said...

Con man got a PHD. in arzhole!!

March 12, 2014 at 12:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Gassy, you know you shouldn't strive to be (economically) better. You may actually become (economically) better than somebody else, and that's just not fair. That reeks of inequality.

March 12, 2014 at 12:40 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Sort of like republicans getting black-balled at Berkeley and the like. With their mythical tales of "equality" and "global warming".

March 12, 2014 at 1 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Still waiting on you lefties to condemn Rutgers faculty. You guys got lockjaw?

March 12, 2014 at 1:05 p.m.

You're going to be waiting a long time, PT.

March 12, 2014 at 1:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^ ✔

March 12, 2014 at 1:40 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Look Truth, I'm not a "leftie" and I don't know all of the intricacy's of the Rutgers' story, but I do know that many of the faculty are opposed to Rice's speaking because of her involvement in waterboarding and other techniques authorized during the Bush Administration. If that's their gripe, than who am I to say they are wrong? Personally, I don't feel that the US should use torture, but I don't think I would object to Rice speaking at commencement.

March 12, 2014 at 1:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Gassy, you just can't quite condemn them, huh?

March 12, 2014 at 2:39 p.m.
conservative said...

I find it amusing that Mr. Bennett always depicts we humans as we ALWAYS were and not in some evolutionist fantasy of transition from an ape like creature.

March 12, 2014 at 2:41 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

They're condemned. Did that change anything?

March 12, 2014 at 2:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yes

March 12, 2014 at 2:48 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

No oil company will hire the geologists coming from Bryan, I think. Can't find oil using YEC geology.

March 12, 2014 at 3:04 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

No oil company will hire the geologists coming from Bryan, I think. Can't find oil using YEC geology.

"geologists coming from Bryan" ... Really?

I see you're doing some of that high level research you're know for.

March 12, 2014 at 3:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

They're condemned. Did that change anything?

You're untruthful or at a minimum very very fickle.

March 12, 2014 at 4:02 p.m.
jesse said...

Has anyone given any thought to the fact that IF the young earth theory were correct there would be no oil to find??

March 12, 2014 at 4:21 p.m.
conservative said...

That clock depicted didn't evolve from nothing anymore than those two men.

Evolution, the religion and faith of Atheists whereby nobody times nothing became everything.

March 12, 2014 at 4:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

DON'T TAKE THE BAIT!

March 12, 2014 at 4:38 p.m.
kkemerait said...

Conservative,

Can you do anything but repeat the same idiotic phrase .. we already know you are ignorant of evolutionary theory...you don't need to keep restating the evidence....we got it already!

March 12, 2014 at 4:47 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Jt, if you have something to add, please do so. Since you are so knowledgeable and I am not.

Though, I am not sure how your area of research gives you insight into geology.

March 12, 2014 at 4:51 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jesse said...

Has anyone given any thought to the fact that IF the young earth theory were correct there would be no oil to find??

Have you given any thought to the fact that IF the young earth theory were correct there could be an explanation for the oil? That God originally created the Earth to dispose of the used oil and tires from his Five Billion B.C. Oldsmobile 98 Holiday Hardtop. Or maybe he is all seeing and all powerful as they say and he knew we would need the oil to run our modern industrial economies. He just mixed it up out of the star stuff he had left over and left it for us to find. If so he is probably disappointed that we have made as little use of the uranium he left for us to use once we realized the oil was running out.

March 12, 2014 at 5:03 p.m.
jesse said...

Well JT if that's so maybe when we get really low HE will make us some more!!

March 12, 2014 at 5:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

Jt, if you have something to add, please do so. Since you are so knowledgeable and I am not.

Though, I am not sure how your area of research gives you insight into geology.

Not Geology, even though I have studied at the university level, but rather logic and probabilities. A small religious orientated liberal arts college producing degreed Geologist ... what's the chances? Yours was just a poorly reasoned response ... that's all.

March 12, 2014 at 5:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jesse said...

Well JT if that's so maybe when we get really low HE will make us some more!!

Who do you think came up with the Fracking process and holds the patent on it?

March 12, 2014 at 5:22 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

hotdiggity said...

“I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure — that is all that agnosticism means.” ― Clarence Darrow

Wonder why he said agnostic and not atheist? What do you think were the things that those many ignorant men believed?

March 12, 2014 at 5:34 p.m.
kkemerait said...

Hey Conservative, I just realized something ... if you are job hunting I bet you could a job as a professor of biology at Bryan College ....

March 12, 2014 at 5:58 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

"Not Geology, even though I have studied at the university level, but rather logic and probabilities. A small religious orientated liberal arts college producing degreed Geologist ... what's the chances? Yours was just a poorly reasoned response ... that's all."

Oh? Enlighten us.

I worked for a small church owned university in the past. They did not insist that the faculty adhere to a literal interpretation of Genesis.

And they have a top-notch geology program.

March 12, 2014 at 6:15 p.m.
conservative said...

Atheism ran in Charles Darwin's family and friends. Maybe that helps to explain why so many family members married cousins.

“I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my father, brother and almost all of my friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine.” Charles Darwin

March 12, 2014 at 6:21 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Bwahahahahaha!!!!

Connie, you are too much.

March 12, 2014 at 6:22 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"No oil company will hire the geologists coming from Bryan, I think."

The way things are going, with a degree from Bryan, a graduate would be lucky to get a clerk job at Mapco.

March 12, 2014 at 6:31 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I just checked the Bryan website:

No chemistry major No physics major No geology major.

Not much science is compromised there.

March 12, 2014 at 6:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^. Then why beat it up?

March 12, 2014 at 6:40 p.m.
conservative said...

“Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy.” Charles Darwin

Well, he met his Creator, found out the truth, and is now suffering the consequences forever.

March 12, 2014 at 6:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

I worked for a small church owned university in the past. They did not insist that the faculty adhere to a literal interpretation of Genesis.

And they have a top-notch geology program.

Oh? Enlighten us.

What is this “small church owned university” that you conveniently failed to name which graduates degreed geologists. Remember that is the point and not that general geology classes are offered. After all Bryan does offer those.

March 12, 2014 at 7:03 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

kkemerait said...

Hey Conservative, I just realized something ... if you are job hunting I bet you could a job as a professor of biology at Bryan College ....

Dr. Stephanie Hartz

Academic Degrees

Ph.D. Cellular and Molecular Biology, University of Maryland at Baltimore County

B.S. Biology, Towson University

Professional Association

American Society for Cell Biology

Dr. Martin E. Hartzell

Academic Degrees

Ph.D. Limnology, Indiana University

M.A. Zoology, Indiana University

B.A. Biology, Cedarville College

Professional Association

North American Benthological Society

Topics of Expertise

Ecology

General biology

Limnology (aquatic biology)

March 12, 2014 at 7:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6gR3hM said... "What is this “small church owned university” that you conveniently failed to name..."

Maybe it was Clark Wesleyan College.

March 12, 2014 at 7:18 p.m.
conservative said...

“Such simple instincts as bees making a beehive could be sufficient to overthrow my whole theory.” Charles Darwin

Well Duh!

March 12, 2014 at 7:20 p.m.
jesse said...

Pepperdine??

Notre Dame??

March 12, 2014 at 7:22 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

If Bryan continues this policy, it will lose its accreditation. A future Bryan degree will be worthless unless you are in seminarian school. I talked to a Bryan student two days ago (he will be a senior next year) and he is worried about the future of the school.

Why?

This was their “Statement of Beliefs” that was in place prior to this dust-up and they were not having any accreditation problems then.

Essential Beliefs

The college charter states that no sectarian tests or statement of belief are to be imposed on any student. It also specifies that anyone serving as a trustee, officer, or member of the faculty and staff must subscribe to the Statement of Belief, which appears below. The College's religious position and control, educational philosophy, and community life standards are consequential outcomes of the Statement of Belief.

The College, as an evangelical Christian community, endeavors to create an atmosphere in which personal commitment to Christ and Christian standards of behavior will be forthcoming. Trustees, administrative officers, faculty, and staff affirm annually their faith and commitment by subscribing to the Statement of Belief.

Item #4 is the item that is causing the controversy.

4 - that the origin of man was by fiat of God in the act of creation as related in the Book of Genesis; that he was created in the image of God; that he sinned and thereby incurred physical and spiritual death;

Members of the Bryan community ask for a clarification of #4 as a result of recent presentations on campus and here is the board's clarification.**

“We believe that all humanity is descended from Adam and Eve. They are historical persons created by God in a special formative act, and not from previously existing life forms.”

“This interpretation of Bryan’s position is in no way a change to the Statement of Belief. It is the current and historical position of Bryan, an institution founded and existing on a strong Creationist position.”

“The Board has assembled a Steering Committee made up of five Board members to address critical issues about Creation as it relates to Bryan College and to make a recommendation to the full board regarding the production of a "position paper." They welcome participation from members of the Bryan community. Send your thoughts and ideas to origins@bryan.edu by Friday, March 28.”

Everybody at that school knows what the deal is and why outsiders are concerned about what fairy tales they believe is beyond silly.

March 12, 2014 at 7:34 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"No one can earn a million dollars honestly." -William Jennings Bryan

March 12, 2014 at 7:38 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"If the Bible had said that Jonah swallowed the whale, I would believe it." -William Jennings Bryan

March 12, 2014 at 7:39 p.m.
conservative said...

“There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery.” Charles Darwin

Yeah, I bet those miserable apes are planning a revolt and turning the tables on man. Darwin's mindless thought could inspire a movie. Wait!

March 12, 2014 at 7:51 p.m.
una61 said...

Seems like Bryan College is a great place to keep a closed mind closed.

March 12, 2014 at 7:53 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Looks like Jtu_ hit it's "conservative" button.

March 12, 2014 at 8:03 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Everybody at that school knows what the deal is and why outsiders are concerned about what fairy tales they believe is beyond silly."

Students and parents don't Jt. And to boot, the president of Bryan has a history of not being forthcoming.

March 12, 2014 at 8:21 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Very few churches adhere to biblical literalism, Jt. And yes, my college graduates folks with 4 year degrees in Biology, Geology, Natural resources, Chemistry and Physics as well as a few majors that combine two science fields.

You never explained how you think a YEC "geologist" can find oil deposits using an 8000 year old earth as a paradigm.

Since science is all about letting the evidence lead where it may, there is this little problem with any science being bible based, given that the details of the bible are scientifically inaccurate. But, of course, you know this and you choose to act like it doesn't matter, I think solely so you can pick a fight with a "lefty". I am not sure that you don't also accept that the earth is 4.6 billions years old.

March 12, 2014 at 8:33 p.m.
volsam said...

Why all the fuss, if you don't like Bryan College don't go there. My daughter in law goes there for a nursing degree and she doesn't seem to have a problem.

March 12, 2014 at 8:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You could make that claim about every subject that everyone posts on this site, volsam. Why do any of us care about any of these topics? To each his or her own.

March 12, 2014 at 8:42 p.m.
volsam said...

I agree but going in you know the deal it's a Christian college. In a capitalistic system if there aren't enough students who want to go there they would go bankrupt right?

March 12, 2014 at 8:49 p.m.
volsam said...

These fanatics (on both sides of the issue) that post vile comments about each other is a little disturbing

March 12, 2014 at 8:52 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Volsom, Bennett puts these toons on here for a reason and if we don't get into a big cussin,yellin cat & dog fight over it He's gonna think we don't love him no mo!!

March 12, 2014 at 8:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Bennett puts these toons on here for a reason and if we don't get into a big cussin,yellin cat & dog fight over it He's gonna think we don't love him no mo!!

:)

March 12, 2014 at 8:57 p.m.
volsam said...

Just like the liberal left always keep it stirred up.

March 12, 2014 at 9:05 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oh? You know that there are conservative cartoonists too. Find one and comment on their site.

I agree but going in you know the deal it's a Christian college. In a capitalistic system if there aren't enough students who want to go there they would go bankrupt right?

It certainly goes against the notion of academic freedom to require your professors to sign a statement of belief. It kinda diminishes the strength of your convictions if it must be forced on you. I don't see professors at secular colleges, or even most religious colleges being made to sign a "statement of belief" in anything.

March 12, 2014 at 9:07 p.m.
volsam said...

Only when there is a Rino in office. like W Bush!

March 12, 2014 at 9:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

In fact, you can challenge the paradigms of science any time you like. BUT (and here is the stickler) you have to pony up the evidence. That seems to be the stumbling block in science.

March 12, 2014 at 9:14 p.m.
volsam said...

Evidence is crucial indeed.

March 12, 2014 at 9:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

This field has been plowed.

March 12, 2014 at 9:41 p.m.
dude_abides said...

^^^ I bet it has.

March 12, 2014 at 9:53 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^. Oh so clever.

March 12, 2014 at 10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

“What is this “small church owned university” that you conveniently failed to name which graduates degreed geologists.”

dude_abides said...

Maybe it was Clark Wesleyan College.

NO!!

jesse said...

Pepperdine??

NO !!

Notre Dame??

Really?!?

March 12, 2014 at 10:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

Very few churches adhere to biblical literalism, Jt.

Fine with me.

And yes, my college graduates folks with 4 year degrees in Biology, Geology, Natural resources, Chemistry and Physics as well as a few majors that combine two science fields.

Why are you so reluctant to name that college... it’s not like we can trace you there and find out if you were caught blaspheming or something.

You never explained how you think a YEC "geologist" can find oil deposits using an 8000 year old earth as a paradigm.

Maybe because I don’t know exactly but I did give some possibilities... (see above)

Since science is all about letting the evidence lead where it may.

But some science is settled so we don’t need to follow the evidence anymore ... Right?

March 12, 2014 at 10:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

"Everybody at that school knows what the deal is and why outsiders are concerned about what fairy tales they believe is beyond silly."

Students and parents don't Jt. And to boot, the president of Bryan has a history of not being forthcoming.

Don’t be so blatantly disingenuous ... if you’re going to counter post, don’t just “phone it in”.

I didn’t know anything about the school except it was probably a religious school. Within a few minutes on the net I knew the basis of their educational program and a fair amount about their history and staff. It’s not rocket sturgery ... LMAO!!

March 12, 2014 at 11:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"I like Hilary Clinton. I think she's - she's a fantastic leader." -Wesley Clark

NO!!

"George W. Bush has helped those who have most, hurt those who have least and ignored everyone in between." -Wesley Clark

NO!!

"Veterans have had a long record of leaning towards the Republican Party. I think that's changing. I think that President Obama has the strongest record with veterans among any president in my lifetime." -Wesley Clark

REALLY?!?

March 12, 2014 at 11:15 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Conservative wrote, "Atheism ran in Charles Darwin's family and friends. Maybe that helps to explain why so many family members married cousins."

How do you creation was started? Don't you believe in Adam and Eve? Didn't they have two children, one female and one male? How did they populate the world?

March 12, 2014 at 11:43 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

While were tossing quotes around.

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system."--Barack Obama

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." – Barack Obama attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

"The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries."--Barack Obama

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something."--Barack Obama

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..."--Barack Obama

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."--Barack Obama

What the hell. Right?

March 13, 2014 at 4:37 a.m.
degage said...

Off topic!. Sheila Jackson Lee said on the congress floor that our constitution is 400 years old! That can be our laugh of the day.

March 13, 2014 at 6:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

jjmez said...

fairmon said... Bryan is an independent college that people can attend or not attend

Yeah! Like all those independent colleges DEEEEpenDENT upon federal public tax dollars?

How much federal, state or local government money does BC get? Zero funding from these sources. Why do people object to an independent school causing their own demise? School officials have a choice as do those attending or working there.

March 13, 2014 at 6:59 a.m.
Maximus said...

Well, the science professor definitely has the look of a boringly predictable liberal, pagan, Marxist elitist Democrat. On every political, religious, social, and military topic you can easily guess his position.......WEAK! I think I saw the guy on Market Street yesterday driving home from a hard day of brainwashing kids at UTC. He drove a Prius with the bumper sticker....."I'm Already Against The Next War". Lol!

Oh and Ike don't leave your guvment subsidized housing when thunder storms are predicted. Bad Karma!

March 13, 2014 at 7:32 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

But some science is settled so we don’t need to follow the evidence anymore ... Right?

no

But since you are so knowledgeable you would already know that science is never "settled", right? Except in the minds of journalists, who always get it wrong anyway.

March 13, 2014 at 7:39 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"I think I saw the guy on Market Street yesterday driving home from a hard day of brainwashing kids at UTC."

Well, you and that guy have a lot in common. You attempt to brainwash us with your delusions of grandeur of being wealthy. Kids at UTC can see through the BS, we can see through your BS as well.

March 13, 2014 at 9:03 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

On his Monday radio show, liberal MSNBC host Ed Schultz made a bold out-of-the-box prediction: He predicted former Vice President Dick Cheney would be a Republican candidate for president in 2016. hahahaha, that would stir 'em up!

March 13, 2014 at 12:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

According to liberals, the republicans apparently need to find a black candidate who has a secretive past and most unwilling to produce birth certificate(s) and college transcripts and so forth. His past achievements would have to be extremely minute with no history of leadership.

It worked for the dems only because they have extremely low standards.

March 13, 2014 at 1:28 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

.Mr. Anthony Provancher, a.k.a. alprova .............................................just kidding lol.

March 13, 2014 at 1:31 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

When you lose Chris tingles Matthews, it's time to worry.

Chris Matthews is already bracing for a disappointing November for Democrats, and he sees little that can be done to change that outcome.

“It’s going to be very hard to hold the Senate — I think the Senate goes,” he said on Morning Joe on Thursday. “I think we heard from the Ghost of Christmas Future this week; they’re going to lose the Senate,” he added, referring to Republican David Jolly’s victory Tuesday in Florida’s special congressional election.

Matthews offered his own campaign advice for Democrats if they want to minimize the damage this fall: Go all-in on scare tactics. He encouraged Democrats to up the ante on various issues, such as framing voter-ID laws as attacks on minorities and pro-life measures as attacks on abortion rights.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/373268/chris-matthews-senate-goes-andrew-johnson

March 13, 2014 at 1:49 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Sheila Jackson Lee Thinks the Constitution is 400 Years Old

“Maybe I should offer a good thanks to the distinguished members of the majority, the Republicans, my chairman and others, for giving us an opportunity to have a deliberative constitutional discussion that reinforces the sanctity of this nation and how well it is that we have lasted some 400 years, operating under a constitution that clearly defines what is constitutional and what is not,” she said.

http://freebeacon.com/sheila-jackson-lee-thinks-the-constitution-is-400-years-old/

Keep voting them in folks.

March 13, 2014 at 2:01 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"If I lived in Massachusetts, I'd try to vote ten times ... Yeah that's right, I'd cheat to keep these bastards out. I would. Because that's exactly what they are."--Ed schultz

March 13, 2014 at 2:10 p.m.
jesse said...

The fact that Ms.Lee doesn't know how old the Constitution is implies ignorance!

The fact that she runs her mouth about it anyway implies stupidity!

March 13, 2014 at 2:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

The Fleabaggers pick out a special election in Florida as a “bellwether” contest to predict the results of the fall election and declare it as a “must win” if they are going to hold the Senate and take the House. The district was won by Obama in the last two elections and the Fleabagger candidate won it in 2010 when she ran for Governor of the state.

They run a woman so that they can take advantage of the “war on women”. The field is cleared for her so that she doesn't have to run in a damaging primary. She spends three times as much on the campaign as her challenger. Many top line Fleabagger personalities campaign extensively for her including horndog Slick Willy. (I wonder if he hit that) Outside Fleabagger groups poured millions of dollars into the effort.

The Republican challenger is a Washington lobbyist, parading around the district with his main squeeze girlfriend that is half his age. It is a widely held opinion that his campaign is dysfunctional and underfunded. He has to win a difficult and nasty primary of at least 300 candidates. The national Republican establishment throw him under the bus as a sure loser and denigrate him publicly just before the election.

He says Obamacare ... cleans Fleabaggers clock ... MSM wants to talk about a missing airplane.

March 13, 2014 at 2:55 p.m.
kkemerait said...

Assuming for the moment that the biology and science faculty actually teach science accurately...then one has to ask, based on this contract ...why would any parent want their child to attend a university where the professors believe that what they are teaching the students is incorrect?

For that matter, why would any student with a head on their shoulder want to attend?

Think about it, "Hi, I'd like my son/daughter to attend university where the faculty teaches them what they consider to be lies"

wow

March 13, 2014 at 2:57 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Another Democrat stands in the schoolhouse door to prevent little Black children from entering.

March 13, 2014 at 3:01 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

kkemerait said...

Assuming for the moment that the biology and science faculty actually teach science accurately...then one has to ask, based on this contract ...why would any parent want their child to attend a university where the professors believe that what they are teaching the students is incorrect?

For that matter, why would any student with a head on their shoulder want to attend?

Think about it, "Hi, I'd like my son/daughter to attend university where the faculty teaches them what they consider to be lies"

wow

I see what your saying. After all who wants to spend tens of thousand dollars to have their children indoctrinated with a school or professor’s ideological propaganda by them lying to the students.

March 13, 2014 at 3:19 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Toon-boy, like Keithlu, seems to be obsessed with this topic. Surely the profs. at Bryan knew how the school rolled when they signed on.

March 13, 2014 at 3:48 p.m.

PT, that's the exactly right. They knew, and they wanted to teach there. No one forced them.

This is non-issue. It's school that has a certain curriculum and no one is forced to attend it.

Leave them alone.

Meanwhile Russia is massing troops on the Ukraine border, while a "committee" of a-holes in the US has recommended that transvestites be put into combat. A "committee" which includes that stupid cow Jocelyn Elders. I can just see it now a bunch of emotionally fragile troops, with huge identity issues, part man, part woman, charging into combat. No one wonder the world doesn't take us seriously anymore. I know someone is going to bring up that other countries allow them. So what, other countries kill homosexuals too.

March 13, 2014 at 4:52 p.m.

My gosh you libs have the nerve to whine about indoctrination at a Christian college? U.S colleges are packed with professors whose stated goal is to convert students into lefties, and to trash the US. Hypocrites.

March 13, 2014 at 5:27 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"And so it begins:

Republican Party wins Florida congressional seat in special election"

"The Fleabaggers pick out a special election in Florida as a “bellwether” contest to predict the results of the fall election and declare it as a “must win” if they are going to hold the Senate and take the House. The district was won by Obama in the last two elections and the Fleabagger candidate won it in 2010 when she ran for Governor of the state."

Some of you guys amaze me. FL District 13 has had GOP congressional representation for over 30 years. The GOP candidate "squeaked" out a victory in the election. Personally, I don't give a sheet about which party controls what (the both are relatively the same, with the exception of a couple of issues), but I don't see the GOP retaining control of a district it has represented for three decades a "victory".

March 13, 2014 at 6:21 p.m.

Democrats will lose the senate, and will not get the house back. Obamacare will cost Democrats big. You Dems have had your run of the place, but if you look at county/local and state maps, they're are all turning red.

March 13, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Anybody here think the republicans, if successful in the midterms, will repeal Obamacare? I'd like to take note of the people that believe so.

March 13, 2014 at 7 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

Anybody here think the republicans, if successful in the midterms, will repeal Obamacare? I'd like to take note of the people that believe so.

You mean it hasn’t been repealed already?

Almost two years ago, President Obama's solicitor general told the Supreme Court that without the individual mandate, ObamaCare would fail. In his oral arguments before the court, Donald Verrilli made it abundantly clear that, without the individual mandate, ObamaCare would "make matters worse, not better."

It turns out that if healthy people can wait until after they get sick to buy insurance, and get it guaranteed at a subsidized rate, most will do so, resulting in an insurance premium "death spiral."

Then, just last week, Obama quietly extended this massive loophole for two more years. So for the next three years, people can claim an exemption if they've had their previous plan canceled and "consider the other plans available unaffordable." They just need a copy of the cancellation notice.

But insurance refuseniks can also get an exemption if they claim "another hardship in obtaining health insurance." For that, they only need documentation "if possible."

The exemption standards were ridiculously loose to begin with. Someone claiming to have "experienced domestic violence" is automatically exempt, without submitting any documentation whatsoever.

Another easy out: Just fail to pay a utility bill until a shut-off notice arrives. Send that in and — poof! — hardship exemption.

Democrats also neutered the IRS's ability to collect the penalty — to avoid political blowback — giving the uninsured little incentive to pay.

The latest extension puts the final nail in the mandate coffin, since now only a fool would pay the penalty. And so, as Verrilli warned, ObamaCare will "make matters worse, not better."

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/031214-693001-latest-obama-mandate-exemption-change-guarantees-obamacare-failure.htm#ixzz2vsYT2x5l

Dead As A Doornail

March 13, 2014 at 7:21 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Anybody here think the republicans, if successful in the midterms, will repeal Obamacare? I'd like to take note of the people that believe so.

March 13, 2014 at 7:25 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

And if Obamacare is ultimately repealed and the US goes back to the "old program" (pre-Obamacare), things will be peachy, right? With that system, within 10 years, the middle class will be priced out of health insurance. If not for the free subsidy I receive (tax exemption) for being on my employer's plan, I would have already hit the insurance exchange and found a different policy.

March 13, 2014 at 7:27 p.m.

It's already fallen to pieces. JT tells it the way it is. BO has taken upon himself to change it. It's just going to collapse. Doesn't have to be officially repealed.

March 13, 2014 at 7:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

zablee says no? Jt says...?

March 13, 2014 at 7:33 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

degage said...

Sheila Jackson Lee said on the congress floor that our constitution is 400 years old! That can be our laugh of the day.

By Daniel Greenfield

Sheila Jackson-Lee might be the dumbest person in congress. She might even be the dumbest person outside congress. If there were ever a global championship for idiots, the country could send her there. And leave her there; because unlike Lassie, she wouldn’t be able find her way back on her own.

...which was a polite way of saying, “dumber than a bunch of rocks caught in the hubcaps of a slow bus going the wrong way on a one way street in the middle of a flood.”

Jackson-Lee’s only qualification for sitting on the Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics was the space between her ears. She visited JPL and asked if the Mars Rover would be able to show “the flag the astronauts planted there before”.

In February, Congress was debating federal spending. And Sheila Jackson-Lee got up to make her contribution denouncing a Pepsi commercial as racist. In 2003, Sheila Jackson-Lee complained that hurricane names were too “lilly white” and said that “All racial groups should be represented.” She suggested Hurricanes “Keisha, Jamal and Deshawn”.

Last year, Lee tried to denounce the Tea Party as racist at an NAACP meeting, but in the middle of it she forgot the word for sheets, and condemned them for wearing, “uh, clothing with a name.” Which is exactly how most of the rest of Congress refers to her.

She invited Assad to speak in Texas, urged F-16 parts sales to Hugo Chavez, called for an end to economic sanctions against Saddam and participated in an event conducted by an Iranian regime front group against military action on Iran.

Last last year she got up on the House floor to celebrate the victory in Vietnam and the “two Vietnams, side by side, North and South.”

Jackson-Lee opposed repealing Obamacare because that would violate the Fifth Amendment’s right to Due Process.

Whether it’s trying to barge into the Treasury Building or demanding First Class upgrades or an entire row of seats to herself from airlines– rudeness and entitlement are second nature to a woman whose only achievement in life was to ride a sponsorship as the crony of the most corrupt company in America to a lifetime race card.

“I am a queen, and I demand to be treated like a queen,” Sheila Jackson-Lee once reportedly said. It may be that she knows so little about government that she actually thinks she was elected to be a queen. The Queen of Racism, perhaps.

March 13, 2014 at 8:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

White guilt enables morons like SJL.

March 13, 2014 at 8:17 p.m.
volsam said...

dude, total repeal in 2016, if the Republicans win the majority will be tough. Obama has the veto pen. Unless they get a super majority and impeach him, but that would make all Republicans racist so it's not going to happen. Obama care in some form seems to be safe until at least 2018 if then.

March 13, 2014 at 8:31 p.m.
volsam said...

PT, This women keeps getting reelected. How far have we fallen from grace as a country when this is the best we can do for leaders.

March 13, 2014 at 8:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Vol, waaaaay down.

March 13, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.
volsam said...

PT, Amen.

March 13, 2014 at 9:21 p.m.
wallyworld said...

volsam said...

PT, This women keeps getting reelected.

How far have we fallen down the dumb ladder to not know even 'basic' grammar? At least she didn't get up there with a lie about some country having WMD's and "we MUST attack" so our young men and women can die for some drug addled cowboy.

March 14, 2014 at 7:12 a.m.
ibshame said...

**Tudumb's latest cut and paste by the latest of his/her/its right wing nut authors:

"By Daniel Greenfield

Sheila Jackson-Lee might be the dumbest person in congress. She might even be the dumbest person outside congress. If there were ever a global championship for idiots, the country could send her there. And leave her there; because unlike Lassie, she wouldn’t be able find her way back on her own."

Now let's substitute the name Sheila-Jackson-Lee with George W. Bush who was not a member of Congress but instead was elected to the office of President of the United States.

"I guess it's OK to call the secretary of education here 'buddy.' That means friend." --George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Jan. 8, 2009

"So I analyzed that and decided I didn't want to be the president during a depression greater than the Great Depression, or the beginning of a depression greater than the Great Depression." --George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Dec. 18, 2008

"People say, well, do you ever hear any other voices other than, like, a few people? Of course I do." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2008

"I've been in the Bible every day since I've been the president." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Nov. 12, 2008

"I want to share with you an interesting program -- for two reasons, one, it's interesting, and two, my wife thought of it -- or has actually been involved with it; she didn't think of it. But she thought of it for this speech." --George W. Bush, discussing a company that improves access to clean water in Africa, Washington D.C., Oct. 21, 2008

"This thaw -- took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw." --George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets, Alexandria, La., Oct. 20, 2008

"I didn't grow up in the ocean -- as a matter of fact -- near the ocean -- I grew up in the desert. Therefore, it was a pleasant contrast to see the ocean. And I particularly like it when I'm fishing." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 26, 2008

"Anyone engaging in illegal financial transactions will be caught and persecuted." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2008

"And so during these holiday seasons, we thank our blessings." --George W. Bush, Fort Belvoir, Va., Dec. 10, 2004

"The president and I also reaffirmed our determination to fight terror, to bring drug trafficking to bear, to bring justice to those who pollute our youth." --George W. Bush, speaking with Chilean President Ricardo Lagos, Santiago, Chile, Nov. 21, 2004

"I always jest to people, the Oval Office is the kind of place where people stand outside, they're getting ready to come in and tell me what for, and they walk in and get overwhelmed in the atmosphere, and they say, man, you're looking pretty." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Nov. 4, 2004

March 14, 2014 at 7:55 a.m.
ibshame said...

Dumb or Dumber? LOL

More Bushisms

"Give me a chance to be your president and America will be safer and stronger and better." --Still-President George W. Bush, Marquette, Michigan, July 13, 2004

"I mean, if you've ever been a governor of a state, you understand the vast potential of broadband technology, you understand how hard it is to make sure that physics, for example, is taught in every classroom in the state. It's difficult to do. It's, like, cost-prohibitive." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 24, 2004

"And I am an optimistic person. I guess if you want to try to find something to be pessimistic about, you can find it, no matter how hard you look, you know?" --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 15, 2004

"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." --George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 25, 2004

"Like you, I have been disgraced about what I've seen on TV that took place in prison." --George W. Bush, Parkersburg, West Virginia, May 13, 2004

"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying to destabilize their country." --George W. Bush, interview with Al Arabiya Television, May 5, 2004

"My job is to, like, think beyond the immediate." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 21, 2004

"They could still be hidden, like the 50 tons of mustard gas on a turkey farm." --George W. Bush, on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, Washington, D.C. , April 13, 2004

"This has been tough weeks in that country." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 13, 2004 NT.

March 14, 2014 at 8:07 a.m.
ibshame said...

"volsam said... PT, This women keeps getting reelected. How far have we fallen from grace as a country when this is the best we can do for leaders."

That was definitely the question being asked when Bush was put in the White House not once but twice.

March 14, 2014 at 8:10 a.m.
ibshame said...

And then of course we have the "genius" of Sarah Palin. LOL

Sarah Palin, on writing notes on her hand during her Tea Party convention speech: "I didn't really had a good answer, as so often -- is me. But then somebody sent me the other day, Isaiah 49:16, and you need to go home and look it up. Before you look it up, I'll tell you what it says though. It says, hey, if it was good enough for God, scribbling on the palm of his hand, it's good enough for me, for us. He says, in that passage, 'I wrote your name on the palm of my hand to remember you,' and I'm like, 'Okay, I'm in good company.'" (March 5, 2010)

"They are kooks, so I agree with Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh was using satire ... I didn't hear Rush Limbaugh calling a group of people whom he did not agree with 'f-ing retards,' and we did know that Rahm Emanuel, as has been reported, did say that. There is a big difference there." --Sarah Palin, attempting to rationalize why it's okay for Limbaugh to use the word "retards" but not Emanuel, FOX News Sunday interview, Feb. 7, 2010

"Who calls a shot like that? Who makes a decision like that? It's a disturbing trend." –Sarah Palin, pushing a conspiracy theory that "In God We Trust" had been moved to the edge of coins by the Obama administration (the change was made by the Bush administration in 2007 and was later reversed by Congress, before Obama took office), West Allis, Wisconsin, Nov. 6, 2009

March 14, 2014 at 8:33 a.m.
caddy said...

The professed "irreligious" and Atheist Crowd are EVERY bit as religious in protecting and promoting their Religious Dogma:

Professor Richard Lewontin, a geneticist (and self-proclaimed Marxist), is certainly one of the world’s leaders in evolutionary biology. He wrote this very revealing comment (the italics were in the original). It illustrates the implicit philosophical bias against Genesis creation—regardless of whether or not the facts support it.

‘Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. The eminent Kant scholar Lewis Beck used to say that anyone who could believe in God could believe in anything. To appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that Miracles may happen.

March 17, 2014 at 8:35 a.m.
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